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Most of you here have some idea of what I am about. Shy in some situations, brash and upfront in others, pretty physically oriented, and, maybe...fearless. Or at least, unintimidated :) .

Here is a little bit of backstory about me. The company I have been working for is really good. Great people, locale is second to none (visitors think they are at a resort), and the workload is not over bearing. However, the pay leaves something to be desired. My job description right now is program administrator. In addition to the regular daily work hours, I often put in hours from home, am called to provide tech support for users on the weekend and nights, and basically am happy to work for what I am getting paid, but had promises for more. Both my boss and the HR manager have noted I am doing an excellent job. My boss also told me he would be putting me in for a raise and COLA increase so I can buy a home. Ok, and for someone who manages the program that has given the company double the revenue, acceptable.

But, as the new raises came out, I am not pleased, or even satisfied with the raise. Me, as a program admin, am making less than $39K per year. Yes, I know that is not shabby, but with my raise not even covering inflation rates of 2006 and my desire to stop renting and buy a home, I really cannot do that on my own. And given a program admin in my region makes, at minimum, $55K, I am left wondering what happened to my promised earnings increase.

My desire is to be financially independent, not worrying about the next paycheck, having things come up and not having the money for them, etc. So, this is what I am planning and would like your opinion. Most of you on here are of sound intelligence and we have spoken so your opinion would have some weight to my decision. Politics play no role in this, btw.

I am debating (and trying to find my resume in e-form now, for submission), to apply for a job in Iraq. This is more than a whim, this is an opportunity to take a huge step forward financially for myself.

Now, domestic concerns. First for most people, family. I dont have one. I have not spoken to my brother or father in 3 years and do not desire to do so again. They are venomous people and I have learned much from them to make myself a better man. My mother, the only thing she called me for was for money and to front her to buy HUD homes so she can rent them out. After asking for if that was all she was calling for, I told her she can call if she has anything else to talk to me about. She has only called once as her car broke down, in the past 1.5 years.

Responsibilities...I have one, my lease. And I am only on the lease as a partial renter as there are two other roommates here. So I can leave and it will not have any adverse reaction on me and neither will a forced breaking of the lease need to occur. And as of May, the lease is up and will not be renewed anyways. Also, I am a minimalist, so I have very little of anything that matters to me, possession wise. Everything I own I can put into storage for the 1 year contract I would sign.

Now, potential detractors. Death, of course. Maiming, and that is a fear worse than death. I value my physical abilities very much. Lack of companionship. I met someone over the weekend (on a blind date), and we had a great time. We both have the same sense of humor, interests, and feel comfortable around each other. I don't love her, and really, how could I this soon, but she is intelligent, pretty, and has characteristics which interest me. But I am interested in settling down and she appears to have the same goals in mind. Friends...my life's blood. I value them very deeply and do care incredibly for them. But they are just friends.

Pluses. Money. Average salary for me in a likewise position would reap between $150-$220K, and the first $80K is tax free. Even if I stay for just 1 year, it would enable me to buy a nice home outright (or by secured loan) and allow me to educate myself, increasing my value to corporate America upon my return. International job opportunities and getting a job while becoming a resident of another country. There is a month of paid time off, and destinations are anywhere in the world with the means to do it.

This is a big step, and I do want to do it, but I also don't want to miss anything in my thought processes. Of course the job and salary level do dictate if I take the job or not, but I am thinking it will be good for me. And with a high turnover rate, promotions are rapid (as are pay increases).

I have to lookout for myself and live my own life for me. Not for my company, my boss, my friends, or a beautiful woman. What is your opinion?
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A few things:

First, have you been in a war zone before? I ask this because my fiance was in the army and served in the Gulf War, and he tells me there is no way you can understand what it is like unless you've been there. If you have, then imo, you know what you are getting yourself into. (And being paid a lot better than as a marine.;) )

Second, money is not everything. I have walked away from higher paying jobs because they were not worth the extra stress they placed on me. There is something to be said for peace of mind. Perhaps in that regard one of the steps you can take is discussing with your employers the step you are thinking of taking. Maybe they will come up with a larger raise to keep you safe.

Third, my son will be 18 in July. I cannot imagine what it would be like to have him over there. He is not considering the military, so it is not a possibility unless they reinstate the draft. But, just the thought of his having to be in harm's way makes me want to turn him back into my little boy. I guess this is another take on Make sure you know what you are getting yourself into.

Finally, I have to agree with Wimpy. If you're going to take a chance with your life, now is the time to do it. I've often thought in the past ten years that my opportunity for new beginnings was over. But, I now have a chance to relocate, and in spite of leaving my children (who will be adults when I leave), I am planning on taking it.

Sorry if I'm going back and forth, just wanted to give you food for thought.:)
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vbneteng,

I know what you are going through, I am in the same straits. I was recently promised and got a full-time job at the place where I was interning and working part-time at for the previous three years. I thought I would have income enough to move into a new place but have since found out that my income for this year will fall far short of what I had anticipated. I am now working full time and going to school at night, and I am not happy with where I am and what I am making. Yet I was just recently hired so I do not know if it is "the right time" to approach my boss for more money.

So once again I am weighing my options. Joining the military and going to Iraq is back in the picture...And quite frankly, the prospect of serious wounding (like losing a limb, being disfigured, going blind...) scares the CRAP out of me. I also have to think about my current debts, as you are, and the impact that leaving would have on my family and friends.

For me personally, the leading concern is family. I try to think about where my family would be if I left them for a few years, and what kind of stress that would put on them knowing where I was. That weighs on me much more than other burdens. That doesn't seem to be much of a concern for you judging by what you said about them, but maybe it is still something you might consider.

One thing is certain. If you were to leave now it would not have as much impact and change on you or people around you as it would were you older and had you built a family with a wife and kids to look after. So in terms of that, plus the money advantage, going to Iraq might be a good decision...If you can make peace with the fact that there is a chance that you could be hurt or killed.

I do not think you should make the decision based on the girl you recently met. She may or may not be your future, but you came this far without having anyone by your side. So she probably shouldn't weigh too significantly into your decisions at this juncture - unless your being lonely is something that really bothers you and she is a once in a lifetime sort of match.

Wimpy made a really good point too. Maybe not going to Iraq is something that would weigh heavily on your mind in the future. You may find yourself regretting that you did not take the oppertunity. You might regret that you did not step out of your comfort zone to potentially do better for yourself or others. I know that that is also something that weighs on me and effects my thought process. Twenty years from now when all of this is just history, will you be able to look back on right now and feel like you did what was best for you, or what was right?

Whatever you do, I guess the most important thing is to do what you feel is right for you and not just to please someone else.

Those are my thoughts on that. :)
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No, I have not been in a war zone before. And I do realize it is something I will not be able to comprehend until I am there.

This is a limited time engagement. 1-2 years of stress for the same earnings I could make in 10 years, plus the ability to be stable.

I am going to talk with my boss tomorrow and find out why I was given such a low raise. It kinda hinges on that, and another opportunity with the NSA. I know someone who knows the recruiter there, and I have had Top Secret clearance before.

Also...

Audentes Fortuna Iuvat

WarC, excellent post. I have been at this company for 1.5 years and never asked for a raise, but was told it will be taken care of. The woman does not have any say or sway, except that if I were to stay, I would want to build something with her.
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we were given the freedom to do with our life as we please.

we can jump of the cliff if we so desire.

we have the freedom of choice.

it is your choice in the end.


if you are seeking incouragement for your decision to go to Iraq i believe that no one can give you a clear answer like...."sure go for it".

there are too many unknowns there.

and it is in human nature to fear the unknown.

fear keeps man safe from harm.

that is why you are questioning your decision.

wether you want to admit it or not.
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I'd be scared to ever go to Iraq for any reason John! :( Here's an incomplete list of American contractors killed in Iraq...30 in 2006...20 of whom died at the hands of the Iraqis... I wonder how many of them shared your same thoughts and ambitions...:(

http://www.icasualties.org/oif/Civ.aspx

Though in the end you'll do what you want...I hope you change your mind and stay in America...whatever you decide...God bless you...
I suggest, go to You tube or some other online vids site and enter Hostage Beheadings...watch all of them and then get back to us ;)

There are plenty of things to do here that don't require putting your a$$ or neck in the line of fire....Like opening a fighting school...selling tapes and books from it...or massive other alterantive paths to a self reliant high income life :)
Good post ODIN...your #24! :up:
Odin, I did not come here for encouragement. I came here because there are intelligent and possibly more intelligent people than I (kidding, that's a joke) who will think of things that I have missed. Encouragement is the last thing I need or want. I am brave enough to take any step I need alone.

Izme, I am not yet experienced enough to do those things.


:confused: can you say "Fallujah":confused: :(

In one way, it sounds like a terrible idea :down: why put yourself in harms way :confused:

In another way, it sounds perfect for you :up: you seem to like to push the adventure envelope :rolleyes:

I don't see it as you doing it "for the money" - I see it as you doing it to achieve a dream - owning a home of your own :up:

As a Marine, you are already trained to be aware of dangerous situations - would you be allowed to carry a weapon :confused:
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vbneteng said:
Odin, I did not come here for encouragement. I came here because there are intelligent and possibly more intelligent people than I (kidding, that's a joke) who will think of things that I have missed. Encouragement is the last thing I need or want. I am brave enough to take any step I need alone.

Izme, I am not yet experienced enough to do those things.
So take some years and train with different fight schools and make your own way as I did...it's just one option in a world of many....Save and invest your money and keep your eyes on the prize....whatever that may be....you are seeking the proper path and that's half the battle.
hannab said:
I don't see it as you doing it "for the money" - I see it as you doing it to achieve a dream - owning a home of your own :up:

As a Marine, you are already trained to be aware of dangerous situations - would you be allowed to carry a weapon :confused:
I can buy a home now, that is not what I am worried about, or dreaming of. It is the home and being able to save and prepare for my future. Planning and getting a headstart that most my age dont have.

One hopes I would be able to carry a weapon.

Izme, wanna train/sponsor me? :D ;)
izme said:
I suggest, go to You tube or some other online vids site and enter Hostage Beheadings...watch all of them and then get back to us ;)
Wouldn't be a good thing to have happen but going through life pondering " what if's " doesn't make sense. It that were the norm then you risk your life every time you crawl out of bed. Don't get on a plane as they kill people, don't drive or ride in a car for the same reason, don't walk on a sidewalk because you might just wipe out on a crack and break your neck, don't talk to your boss about the small raise you got because you might get fired. Life is full of risks and challenges that can only be judged by those facing them. Most people think they know their limits but in reality they don't. People do amazing things in the face of adversity and most people love a challenge.

I will say this... it's obvious men and women take a much different stand on issues like this. :eek:
vbneteng said:
Izme, wanna train/sponsor me? :D ;)
If you so desire ;)

There are so many excellent fight clubs throughout the US...;)

Teaching others and giving them such a great tool to better their lives is a very rewarding career goal.
vbneteng,

I'm heading to Iraq in the next couple of months, as a UK serviceman it's part of the job and I'll be in a relatively secure area (!); although not the Green Zone. As a serviceman, I know that if I get into trouble (and out there, a flat tyre can mean a near-death experience) I will have several hundred of my heavily-armed friends coming out to find me. You know how this works for the military - you have a schedule and you check in; people are on ready-alert to go help. Does the same back-up exist for contractors? There is a reason why the pay rates are high for "normal" jobs.

That said, if you are prepared to take the risk, the rewards are there and the vast majority of people who go out there to work come back fine, even in the military - and we have people who go looking for trouble ;)

It really is a fine balance. From what you've said, a shortish period of risk and discomfort could significantly alter your life for the better. Whatever you decide, good luck and stay safe.
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Wimpy369 said:
Wouldn't be a good thing to have happen but going through life pondering " what if's " doesn't make sense. It that were the norm then you risk your life every time you crawl out of bed. Don't get on a plane as they kill people, don't drive or ride in a car for the same reason, don't walk on a sidewalk because you might just wipe out on a crack and break your neck, don't talk to your boss about the small raise you got because you might get fired. Life is full of risks and challenges that can only be judged by those facing them. Most people think they know their limits but in reality they don't. People do amazing things in the face of adversity and most people love a challenge.

I will say this... it's obvious men and women take a much different stand on issues like this. :eek:
I was a professional fisherman in Alaska for 3 years on the Bering Sea...so I know all about taking risk and even I wouldn't go to Iraq for any amount of money :D

just my two cents
Good luck and God bless you Rob!!! :)
My decision will be made tomorrow afternoon, after I talk to my boss and he lets me know if he can increase that, or if I am stuck with what I got.

Rob, if I go, may we could meet up somewhere and grab...a bite to eat. What is there to eat over there, anyways? Wouldn't that be some funny stuff, two TSG-ers from seperate continents meeting in a war zone for a cup of coffee. :D
izme said:
I was a professional fisherman in Alaska for 3 years on the Bering Sea...so I know all about taking risk and even I wouldn't go to Iraq for any amount of money :D

just my two cents
Damn you got balz. :up: I'm willing to stick my neck out and love fishing but not that much. :eek: Most dangerous job in the world from what I've read.
angelize56 said:
Good luck and God bless you Rob!!! :)
Thanks Angel, I will be keeping my head down!

And my only advice to vbneteng if he does decide to go, would be to skip the "military tourism", go only where you need to go, only when you need to go there. Other than that, stay in the safest area possible for the completion of your task. People have been killed "going along for a ride" or "going to see....". Keep it simple. Put your own safety first - as a contractor you have that choice!
vbneteng said:
Wouldn't that be some funny stuff, two TSG-ers from seperate continents meeting in a war zone for a cup of coffee. :D
Get pictures! :)
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