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I've built before and like it more than buying from any PC maker... you get a better quality pc, ect...
 
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me... :D

I've built before and like it more than buying from any PC maker... you get a better quality pc, ect...
You got dat rite. I got an Hp and it is impossible to get all their CRAP off. If you don't change the user ID you get tons of Bad Cookies to boot!

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(never again)...they deserve to go DOWN.
 

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I always build for many reasons: 1.) you control the quality of ALL your parts. 2.) you only have to put in what you want (and don't waste $$ on what you don't want) 3.) can have AGP video and PCI Sound (most prebuilts use onboard--yuck) 4.) it is cheaper 5.) you get a better system 6.) built to your exact needs 7.)...

I can go on all day...

oh, and no extra crap to try and take off...
 

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Where did you get the idea that HP is going to go under? That's bull. This recession is 8 months old. It's not new. It's just been "officially" announced. The average recession lasts for 11 months. Don't go around spreading rumors and starting panics.
 

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to AZ and DEuce, I'm starting to think you guys are right about building versus buying. What I'd like to do to "get started" building one is to get the core hardware (Case/CPU/m-board/RAM) and use my current hardware (hard drive/CD-RW/floppy/kbd/mouse/spkrs). I'll save more money cannibalizing my HP6653 than I would get back if I sold the complete system to someone.

As for HP going under, well I doubt they will. They've got such a massive product line and business probably accounts for more of their business than consumer.
 

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"What I'd like to do to "get started" building one is to get the core hardware (Case/CPU/m-board/RAM) and use my current hardware (hard drive/CD-RW/floppy/kbd/mouse/spkrs)."

Tigerdirect.com has MOBO w/1GIG processor, 128MG RAM and 300w case for $300 and under, 1.4 GIG for about $40 more.

"I'll save more money cannibalizing my HP6653 than I would get back if I sold the complete system to someone."

Yup.

"As for HP going under, well I doubt they will. They've got such a massive product line and business probably accounts for more of their business than consumer."

The news about the recession just hit, but for nearly a year now, PC makers have been losing sales and business, some to "builders" (like me on this recently built, 1.2 GIG, Plll machine).
Worse, nearly 42% of ~current~ PC sales are to upgraders as opposed to new, first time computer buyers.
 

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wow, I think Max should take a chill-pill and go visit the "favorite sites". It may just ahve a calming affect........oh ya, sell your stock!
 

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HP is NOT going to go under.

The printer business they have should save them. We are always getting new HP printers here. The price they charge for a maintenance kit ($600) for a printer should keep them going. Also they are one of the only companies left that sell plotters. (Calcomp is long gone now)
 

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My computer is an HP 6465 and I have been quite happy with it. However, if I ever have to replace it, I think that I will build one from scratch. I agree that I can have all that I want to have in it and only the best parts. But, for now, my HP works fine and I have the best programs with appropriate updates and all is well.... knock wood. I should start building my new one right now because the HP is already 3 years old and could start failing at any time. I could just buy one part at a time and build one over the next couple of years. Can't afford doing it all at once.

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What I'd like to do to "get started" building one is to get the core hardware (Case/CPU/m-board/RAM) and use my current hardware (hard drive/CD-RW/floppy/kbd/mouse/spkrs).
BML--I would also seriously consider replacing your hard drive. You would be amazed at how much faster the new hard drives are and you can get them for about $100 bucks. It will make a big difference in overall performance because a big part of computer performance is the access time from the hard drive. You can have the fastest processor in the world and if you have a slow hard drive, you computer performance will suffer. I would go with an IBM and make sure you get at least 7200 RPM with 2 MEG Cache. That will cost you under $100 and its pretty fast. Faster drives will cost more.
 

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I agree with Mulder. Remember that the new components are more than likely faster and "New". "Old" components will undoubtedly fail sooner than you think.

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what the specs are on mine? Like seek time/speed/cache?

I think mine is a Fujitsu but dont know a model. Is there any place I can go on my computer to find out? under system info?

Also I've heard that SCSI hard drives are faster than IDE. Is that worth the extra money?

Yeah my HD is only 15gb. I was going to do the core first and wait a little - upgrade the HD later.
 

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Depending on what operating system you're using, you can probably find out a little about your hard drive in Device Manager. For example, in Win2k, under "Disk drives" I have: "SEAGATE ST318436LW SCSI Disk Device".

Speaking of SCSI... (like how I switched topics? =)... I find that SCSI is only noticeably faster with very disk-heavy applications. When I move gigabytes of log files, huge back up files, and once in a while work on a particularly large photograph, I find that this SCSI system is slightly faster. But, 7200 (or even faster) IDEs are great. All of my systems, other than this particular workstation and the web servers, run IDE. Also, I've found that SCSI drives last a little longer while IDEs seem to die after a few years (or even months) of very heavy use (like that of a web server). I don't know if it's worth the huge difference in price, though. You'll have to look at the cost of SCSI controller card (or a new motherboard with an on-board SCSI), and the drives are usually MUCH more expensive that IDEs.

Anyway, my 1.5 cents...
 

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Check out http://www.pricewatch.com

Here is what I was talking about



Click on "Hard Drive", then "Brands" and "IBM, and the 20 Gigs start on page 6

Its a good idea to keep your old hard drive and add a second even if the old one is one of the faster drives (I'd be willing to bet it isn't if its two years old or older). I have two hard drives which allows me to backup important data very easily and also allows me to dual boot to either Win2K or Win98. You can use the old one as your backup and the new one to run your new OS. Also, I would seriously consider going to Win2k or XP on that new drive because either OS is much more stable than 95, 98 or ME.

If you want bigger, you can get 40 Gigs for just over $100, but depending on what you do, I don't know that more than 35 Gigs of space is necessary. I only use about 20 percent of my total of 40 between two drives. If you are saving a lot of MP3s or other large media storage is when people usually need lots of GIG.

Unless you know you need a lot of storage, I would just get the 20 Gig and then in a few years if you need space, replace the 15 GIG with a 100 or something because by that time, the 100 will be $89!!!
 

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That's a much slower hard drive then the one I showed you above. Just look at the speed and transfer rates and also the IBM has the 2 MEG Cache, which makes a big difference. You'll be impressed with the speed of the newer drives. However, you do need the newer motherboards and processors to take advantage of the ATA100 capability.
 

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robcaro,

I would not buy one thing at a time over the next couple of years.
What if one of the parts are bad that you got a year ago. You are out of luck in the warranty to when your is up before you even open the box.
Just save your money and when you get what you you need then go for it. It two years a lot can happen and you the speeds on every thing will be faster.
 
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