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As I have been accused at times to having anti-American views, just because I espouse a world view, especially concerning terrorism, I wanted to post links that might educate people on how prevalent terrorism has been, even before the heinous acts of 11 Sept 01. Because I have been trying to make some people see that terrorism has been very prevalent before the 11 Sept acts, I have been accused of not being patriotic. Because I have tried to make people realise that a good portion of the world lives in fear of terrorism *daily*, I have been accused of belittling what has happened in the States.

I want people to realise that what has happened in the States is a wake-up call for Americans, to realise that they are part of a world problem, not just an American one. That, in no way, belittles, trivialises, or mocks the greatest single act of terrorism that I have ever heard of, which was perpetuated on American ground on 11 Sept 01. What most people fail to realise is that that act was perpetuated against the world community, not just America.

Enough ranting and trying to force my views of world reality on you. Please find the links informative, as they are intended to be.

http://polisci.home.mindspring.com/ptd/itapvi/ is a database that shows International Terrorism and Political Violence Incidents divided into 3 years; 98, 99, 00.

http://polisci.home.mindspring.com/ptd/ is the main page to this site, and provides a lot of other information.

http://www.ict.org.il has some very useful information on Counter-terrorism.

I could go on listing several very good sites, but I believe the 2 I have mentioned sum them all up nicely. It is a matter of "know your enemy". Knowledge is the only sure weapon most of us have, and can control with any degree. Terror works, at it's root, because of a lack of knowledge and ignorance.

If anyone has links to better sites, or can see why the sites I have provided are not good, or whatever, please post. I invite instruction, am not afraid to be proven wrong, and like to learn more. That is more than can be said for some!

BTW, http://www.ict.org.il/spotlight/det.cfm?id=700 is a news article speaking of the block on Terorists funds, and the expansion that has been done. It is with some pleasure that I note that the list of terrist organisations have been expanded to include organisations operating in Columbia, Peru, Greece, Spain, and Ireland. This is much better than just concentrating on Mid-East terrorists, which was what was first done.
 
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I'm just a Pawn in the game I guess. Not overly-bright intellectually (but a damn good Artist) and here in the USA by chance of birth.

One can't be everything. I can't pursue my livelyhood and be a politition too.

I may cast a vote (but it may not be counted).

AZ

.PS, Oh yeah, polititions tend to be rich assholes (I know that wont fly but I'll get the right spaces).

SEE! I can't even spell Politician much less be one!
 

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Hey AZ, :)

Do ya have some pics of your art to show us?

Cheers, Mac
 
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Originally posted by MacFromOK
Hey AZ, :)

Do ya have some pics of your art to show us?

Cheers, Mac
This is a painting that I did of John and took a digital picture of it and superimposed it on one of my cabins back in Wisconsin (using Photoshop).

Gonna use that new trick that Mulder turned me onto...(if I can remember..heheh).

oh yeah, this is copywrited..

<img src="http://forums.techguy.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=270662"</img src>
 

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Here's the original Painting. Did all the Beatles portraits in a "fast & loose" style, (about a half hour each). the paintings are 3ft. high.

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AZ - Besides Photo shop, have you ever used any other packages? Particularly, Adobe or "Fauve Matisse"?

Both have some pretty cool effects.

Also, have you read the books "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" and/or "Vein of Gold"?

Just curious.
 
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Yeah, I gave my up-and-coming goddaughter my copy of "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain" and Photoshop is Adobe. My wife Nancy is more technical than me and uses Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator + Quark Express + Freehand etc., but she has a Commercial job as a Graphic Artist (thank God)! heheh.
I will check-out "Fauve Matisse" and "Vein of Gold". Thanks, I am always looking for new tricks.
.PS, I have a collection of over 2000 Photoshop filters to play with as well. The potential is unlimited! I love it!
Enjoy the Life,
AZ([:)>
 

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Randy: Isn't it a great feeling to start a thread of substance and watch it turn into a circus! Been there....done that!

Thanx for the links!
 

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I have mainly kept out of the political and terrorism threads as I think a few others have. I am fully aware terrorism has existed in this world far before Sept. 11 in the States and carry my own opinions inside myself as what tragedy is happening in this world.
Randy has many good points as you do and Mulder and DN and Kirkland and the list goes on and on.
I have my opinions on what other countries do and do not do and that is my opinion to reflect on and express if I wish. As is yours!
However when I see something of beauty (AZ art) I will comment on it even if it is inside an explosive thread.
Dave
 
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Thanks again Davey.

Maybe I trailed-off but I thought this was "Random Discussion" and didn't think it had to follow a strict and rigid path. (in fact I guess I didn't think) oh well...here I go being my spontanious self again.

Peace,
AZ
 

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No Problem AZ random to me means no structure, no pattern, no sequence of order, and no way to know where we are going.
I guess I have to chill. I understand others perspectives.
Randy has many good points in the links and I by no means think he is unpatriotic, and JH has brought many points to the forefront, however I do not wish to partake in the discussion other then to compliment you on your work!
Dave
 

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Nice AZ, :)

Thanks for showin' us circus clowns your work. :D

Cheers, Mac
 

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Hey Guys: My post was to Randy!

I think it is great that you are having fun....& I think that AZ's art is very good!

I am just as guilty of being a "circus clown" as the rest of you!

so who am I to judge.....?

In fact I am sending this from 36,000 feet....just look at my Location :D
 

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Because I have tried to make people realise that a good portion of the world lives in fear of terrorism *daily*, I have been accused of belittling what has happened in the States.
OK--let's get this post back to its intended subject. And since I know it was directed primarily at me [that's Mr. Thickhead :)], I guess I should give ole Randy the satisfaction of demonstrating the error or his ways yet one more time.

RandyG--first, I don't think you were ever acused of being "unpatriotic"--not that I saw. I know I accused you of regurgitating "anti-American" rhetoric, but I don't believe that makes you unpatriotic. Trust me--I deal with that on a regular basis from many Americans who I am sure love their country and believe they are making it a better place. My main point was in the days and weeks following 9/11, I certainly did not care to hear any of it and I'm sure most Americans did not. It was just not the right time.

Now--I think your argument in this thread as I understand it (but remember I'm thickheaded) is that Americans had turned a deaf ear to terrorism until it happened on our soil and now all of a sudden, we want the world involved. In other words, we had no world view until 9/11--am I right?

I think the first mistake you make is assuming that that terrorism has not occurred on our soil--it has (the bombing of the WTC in the early 90s is an example). The difference is that NOTHING OF THIS MAGNITUDE HAS EVER BEEN DONE TO ANY NATION, ANYWEHRE, ANYTIME. It was not a wake up call to America only, but to the entire world. And that's your second mistake--the rest of the world wasn't any more concerned with terrorism (except on a local basis) than the US was prior to 9/11. And it wasn't because it was on American soil either. I believe you would have had the exact same reaction had something of that magnitude occurred in England, or Canada, or any or other civilized nation (BTW--"civilized" excludes places like Afghanistan).

So the bottom line is that I think you are just flat wrong in your assertion that the US did any less to combat terrorism than the rest of the world did prior to 9/11. You are also wrong when you try to compare what happened on 9/11 to anything that has occurred in the past 50 years or so, or try to assert that we as Americans, or anyone for that matter, should be as concerned with the deaths of 30 or 40, or 100 people here or there from car bombs and building being bombed. If you look at the list of terrorist acts from the sight you provided, they pale in comparison to what occurred on 9/11. Its not that it occurred in America--its that it occurred with such great magnitude that's important. You have to point to the Titanic or the bombing of Pearl Harbor or Hitler's Invasion of France, but I don't even think any of those really compare to the WTC for its "shock" value--it was absolutely mesmorizing--horrifying.
 

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Geoff - Thanx for the comments. I was a little disheartened at first when this thread changed, but shrugged it off.

AZ - you do have great art. I remember seeing that one with Lennon a few months ago.

Guys - This is a random forum, but it still should respect the basic ground rules put forward by this forum. Most of you know that I enjoy the light frivilous, and entertaining topics as mush as anyone else, but it is a bit, I don't know, disrepectful to ignore the topic and continue in your own vein. That's disrespectful to the originator of the thread, unless they are the ones that made the change.

Mulder - My first statements were directed at anyone who thought the same as you. I am not afraid, nor politic enough to refrain from mentioning your name as the cause of something.

BTW - what do you call anti-american? I, personally would view an American who spouts anti-American rhetoric as unpatriotic, but maybe you see things differently . . .

what am I saying? You see everything differently. I was looking, in this thread for information based on terrorism around the world, while at the same time not belittling the WTC tragedy. You turn around and belittle my efforts. My very last statement
If anyone has links to better sites, or can see why the sites I have provided are not good, or whatever, please post. I invite instruction, am not afraid to be proven wrong, and like to learn more. That is more than can be said for some!
invited information not opinion. You have made no bones about stating your opinions, but never offer any, what's the phrase you like to use when things don't go your way, "hard evidence" to support your convictions.

Provide me links to material that support your ideas, but please, no political sites. I am a devout nonPolitical, and ask that you respect my beliefs;).

BTW part 2, I was inferring that Americans had become, for the most part, isolationist in their lives. Thay have no concept of what goes on in the rest of the world. That is a generalisation folks, which has yet to be proven wroing because 3 people have disagreed with that statement. Has a matter of fact, it proves the point! Most people hadn't heard of Osama bin Laden, and I was one of them, before this tragedy. The WTC bombing was a terrorist act, but not a successful one, because it fell into the same category that you have already disparaged, and that is it only affected a handful of people. What I was trying to let people know is that Terrorism is a Daily factor for many people, and not just in countries like Israel, but in some places in the UK and Ireland, Spain, Greece, and the list continues.

The atrocity that happened on 11 Sept has spurred the American people to react, but it seems that a lot of people only want to react because it America that was attacked. Your statements and opinions seem to lead that way. You have already stated that you don't care what has happened in other countries, but this happened in America, and you want the beasts that are responsible for it. I tried to point out to you that it is terrible that it happened at all, not just that it happened in America.

Ahh, you know what, never mind! Please Mr Moderator, can you delete my original message, as well as any other that relates to Terrorism in this thread, and turn it over to AZ for his Art?

I think I would prefer that!
 
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