[Metaphoric]

Hi,
i own two machines, my current laptop with windows xp (sp1), and an older pc with Windows 98.
My problem is when i try to network them, they both have NIC cards and i have successfully networked them for file sharing with NetBEUI protocol. The problem is that this appears to limit what i can play in terms of LAN games.
I decided to try and use TCP/IP but this failed miserably. often my XP machine would see my 98 machine but the 98 could not access the xp machine. If i searched in network neighborhood on 98 i could see the xp machine but was denied access.

both computers are linked by a crossover cable.

I did the following, could someone please help me identify the problem:-
- I installed "file and printer sharing for Microsoft networking", "Client for Microsoft networks" and "Internet protocol TCP/IP" on both computers.
- I Gave the xp and 98 machines the ip addresses "192.168.0.1" and "192.168.0.2" respectively, and both with the subnet mask 255.255.255.0

After the following steps did not work i tried creating different DNS addresses and gateway addresses based on suggestions from sites. but none of these worked. So i am still at the stage i was above. please could someone tell me what I'm doing wrong.

Thanks in advance,
Metaphoric

p.s. would it be any better/easier if i use TCP/IPX?

 

[dai]

set up the xp machine using ics,and then make the floppy to run on the 98

 

[Metaphoric]

if its possible, it works even less now. i ran the setup wizard, made the floppy and used it on 98.
it set my 98machine up to have no tcp/ip settings and my xp machine to have ip- 192.168.0.1 and subnet -225.225.255.0

neither of the pcs can detect each other. if i change the 98 machine to ip- 192.168.0.2 and subnet -225.225.255.0 the xp can ping the 98, but the 98 cannot ping the xp.

help

 

[dai]

when you ran the floppy what did you choose from the options
this comp connects directly
this comp connects through another comp
this comp does not connect
check the names ae the same i.e. mshome

 

[Metaphoric]

i chose "this comp connects directly" on xp

then on 98 i tried it with "this comp connects through another comp" and "this comp in on a network that does not have a net connection" but neither worked

and yes they both were "mshome", i just left it as default but i did check

i appreciate the help,

 

[coulterp]

set up the xp machine using ics,and then make the floppy to run on the 98

My understanding of ICS is that it is used to share an Internet connection - and there was no mention of an Internet connection in the posting. If there is ... then that (ICS) connection will need to be in addition to the existing XP/NIC - 98/NIC connection.

Metaphoric: I don't think you want to be trying to add in another protocol (IPX), unless you have Novell kit on your LAN.
Do you have user accounts of the same name on both PCs? It could be just an access/permissions issue. I believe if you have the guest account enabled on the XP box your should be able to get access from the 98 box to the XP box.

 

[Metaphoric]

yea im not really bothered about ICS. mainly for playing games is what i want it for.
I had created a user account on my xp machine that matches the account of the 98 machine but the 98 still cannot access the Xp machine

 

[dai]

see if this post helps
http://forums.techguy.org/t208371&highlight=ics.html
item 6

 

[coulterp]

What state are the PCs now in? i.e are the PCs back in the state of the first posting (in terms of IP addressing and protocols and components installed on each end of the connection?
Can you do ipconfig/all on each PC and are the results sensible (post if you need assitance)? Can you ping each PC from the other?

 

[Metaphoric]

looks intesting, ill try this setup and post back my results, thanks for help

 

[Bob Cerelli]

Did you turn off the firewall on the XP computer.

 

[Metaphoric]

hi again,
i tried what was mentioned in that other post, but thanks to a post before about firewall i membered to disable it.
Ive reached another level but still not complete.
Both PCs have the settings as before, 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2, both with subnet mask 255.255.255.0. They can both successfully ping each other. but they are not in either network neighborhood although they are in the same workgroup.
If i do a computer search in xp i can see the 98 machine and have full access to it, but NOT the other way round, the 98 machine cannot even find the xp machine.

I would like to get to the point where they are both in the same visible workgroup and can access each other from network neighborhood.
Please feel free to ask if u need any more info.

Thanks again,
metaphoric

p.s. please explain what ipconfig/all is, sorry im not too advanced when it comes to networking!

 

[Bob Cerelli]

Make sure you have the same user account on the XP computer that is logging into the Win98 one.

The default setting for XP Pro is to require a password for network access.

Can you ping by computer name as well as IP address. If you can't ping by name, and it gets too difficult to figure out, with only two computers, you might want to add the other one's name and IP address into both the HOSTS and LMHOSTS.

 

[Metaphoric]

please explain HOSTS and LMHOSTS.

 

[Bob Cerelli]

The HOSTS file is used to resolve the name with the IP address for making strictly TCP/IP type access, such as PING

The LMHOSTS files is used to resolve the name with the IP address when making typical network connections.

Both are just text files that in Win98 are in the \windows directory and NT based operating systems in the \system directory\system32\drivers\etc directory (where system directory is wherever it is installed - e.g c:\windows or c:\winnt).

The format for both is basically the same.
IP address, spaces Name
e.g. 192.168.0.1 server

 

[Metaphoric]

Ok i tried the HOST and LMHOST on the 98 but it made no difference.
Im now at the following stage.
The XP machine can ping the 98machine by ipaddress and name. I i search i can find the 98machine, it says under workgroup (HOME) which is the same as XP, but its not displayed in the Network neibourhood.

The 98 machine can ping the XP machine by ipaddress but NOT by name. If i seach it cannot find the XP machine and it is not displayed in network neighborhood.

Both have the same ip and subnet.
Please help further by answering the following -

What are 'Gateway', 'DNS server' and 'WINS addresses' and do they make any difference to the connection, i.e. should they be set to the ip of one of the comupter?

 

[coulterp]

Ok i tried the HOST and LMHOST on the 98 but it made no difference.
...

Both have the same ip and subnet.
Please help further by answering the following -

What are 'Gateway', 'DNS server' and 'WINS addresses' and do they make any difference to the connection, i.e. should they be set to the ip of one of the comupter?

What do you mean they "both have the same IP and sub-net"? They (if you mean the PCs) cannot possibly have the same IP and hope to work.

The gateway (default gateway I assume you mean) will be the PC (or other device) that is used to route off the sub-net to another sub-net, for example the PC or router that is the gateway for your LAN (sub-net) to the Internet.

From your set-up I would expect to see (typically) PC1 with 192.168.0.1, sub-net mask 255.255.255.0, PC2 with IP 192.128.0.2, sub-net mask 255.255.255.0, default gateway 192.168.0.1 (if that was the route out to the internet).

DNS servers (Domain Name Servers) should either be picked up automatically from your router, or you enter them manually assuming your ISP has provided them. I doubt you need to worry about WINS servers.

To answer an earlier question, that no-one seemed to bother answering, "ipconfig/all" is a command run at the DOS command prompt (start / run / cmd, them type inconfig/all) to show the IP configuration of the PC on which it is run. You can use it to check that the PC is set-up correctly (n terms of TCP/IP) to work on your LAN (cub-net).

 

[Metaphoric]

What do you mean they "both have the same IP and sub-net"? They (if you mean the PCs) cannot possibly have the same IP and hope to work.

i meant that they had the same ip addresses as i had mentioned earlier, sorry for the confusion

thanks for your suggestions, ill give it a shot and report back.

 

[Metaphoric]

I ran the ipconfig/all and got the fllowing results, please tell me if there are any problems:

Windows XP Machine
Windows IP Configuration
Host Name...............:Smack
Primary Dns Suffix......:
Node Type...............:Unknown
IP Routing Enabled......:Yes
WINS Proxy Enabled......:No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
Connetion-specific DNS Suffix:
Description..................: SiS 900 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter
Physical Address.............: 00-40-D0-43-29-C9
Dhcp Enabled.................: No
IP Address...................: 192.168.0.1
Subnet Mask..................: 255.255.255.255
Default Gateway..............:

Windows 98 Machine
Windows 98 IP Configuration
Host Name...............:Lorna
Primary Dns Suffix......:
Node Type...............:Broadcast
IP Routing Enabled......:No
WINS Proxy Enabled......:No
NetBIOS Resolution Uses DNS : No

Ethernet adapter:
Connetion-specific DNS Suffix:
Description..................: F5D5000, PCI card/Desktop network PCI Card
Physical Address.............: 00-30-BD-1F-88-98
Dhcp Enabled.................: No
IP Address...................: 192.168.0.2
Subnet Mask..................: 255.255.255.255
Default Gateway..............: 192.168.0.1
Primary WIN Server...........:
Secondary WINS server........:
Lease Obtained...............:
Lease Expires................:

 

[Bob Cerelli]

Typically you would want a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 as previously mentioned.

Also, if you can ping by IP but not name, you should double check the settings in the HOSTS file