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Rog,
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Who else other than you or Whit Phil is going to tackle Chucky's latest revenge. For all here, Chucky is my computer. It's time for a format and reinstall. But this one is something I would like to try and answer if possible.

I cannot get scanreg /fix to start fixing system.dat. It just sits there at that point. I have to press the power button to restart.

Here's what I have done. I extracted a new copy of scanreg.exe to Windows\command.
I went into msconfig and unchecked config.sys and autoexec.bat from selective startup to free Conventional memory. At that point, scanrreg /fix actually started to repair and then froze at 1%
I have had some problems with this computer latley and had the Tech here again today. I had a new MOBO and heatsink installed. But I have performed scanreg /fix since then and it worked. Now it is kaput.

Thanks in advance for any ideas.

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Have you done any checks on your ram? I would be looking for a ram fault hanging it up, there really isn't much else if you've extracted a new copy.

Also, unlike scanreg /restore, scanreg /fix requires himem.sys and extended memory. It won't run from a safe mode command prompt for example, because himem.sys isn't loaded.
 

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Rog,
Thanks. I'll download Doc Memory and run it. This was from the regular comand prompt not safe mode. I hope I don't need new RAM now too.

I'll let you know.


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Rog,
Passed 3 burn in tests. I actually did do a registry cleaner this afternoon. I had removed a few programs. I also ran scanreg / opt
A scandisk and defrag afterwards. My registry is smaller than it was the last time I performed a fix. Although, you are right about the size. There is actually an issue with Soundblaster Live and compacting the registry I believe.

Thanks again,
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System.dat is 9.46 megs.

I used another reg cleaner just now and it's at 9.45 megs.
It's always been large. HP's install a lot and my reg is probably bloated. I did do something to considerably shrink it and I still had the problem. I reentered the branch I removed after reboot.
I do get an rbbad.cab when I get back to windows the creation time is just now!

The last time I tried it, the screen went dark and WIndows booted up. I tried it again and the same thing happened.
When it's time to repair system.dat..................


But it worked before when my registry was larger.
 

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It's still a biggie. Mine is under 4mb. If you're headed towards a format, why not just try uninstalling enough programs to bring it under 8mb. You should probably run both a regcleaner and do a scanreg /opt afterwards. You've always said that you've had problems with the registry not retaining certain changes and even though scanreg /fix ran before, the size could be a problem.

Also one thing you might try (I've never done it tho-) is running smartdrv before scanreg /fix
 

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Rog,
I did run smartdrive to try and speed it up. No go. I will see about shrinking it. Might be difficult. And then the opt. I ran opt each time before I tried the scanreg/fix. Even though scanreg/fix is supposed to opt too. I'll let you know. I wonder how much I can take off.
 

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I removed a few Programs, and ran regcleanr again.
REbooted and did a scanreg /opt
rebooted. Still way too big. So I removed a huge branch (after exporting it)
ran scanreg /opt
Rebooted. now it was good. About 6.5
Rebooted and tried scanreg/fix
The system file restore was fine as usual. When it came time to repair system.dat, the screen went dark and windows 98 booted.
I repeated and it did it again.
I am going to have to format wed or thurs. I am waiting for my new HP Mouse to be delivered.

I'll have to see if that helps. If not, it's back to the possibility that it's faulty RAM.


I wonder if I have file corruption on the drive. I use the cabs for extraction because HP's use Restore disks.

Thanks for the help and ideas. I think I'll call it a night.

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I tried one more thing. I went back into msconfig and decided to load Config.sys and autoexec.bat again. Rebooted. Tried a scanreg /fix again. This time it started the system.dat repair, got to 1% and froze.
I hope it's file corruption. I had to replace the Msdos.sys file last week. I couldn't get a boot menu no matter what I did.
 

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It's been my experience that bad or shakey RAM causes a good many of the scanreg failures. If you have more than one strip of RAM, before you buy new RAM if that's what you intend to do, I'd first try moving the strips around. Take the first strip out. Then move the last strip into the first slot and place the strip you removed from the first slot into the last slot. Keep rotating them and trying the scanreg again.
 

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Looks like I missed all the fun!! :)

The only last suggestion I have is to do a EXPORT then IMPORT and see if the "problem" gets fixed as a result of the registry being rebuilt.

You were also, just on the size brink. From what I have read and seen, the number seems to be around the 10MB mark.
 

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WhitPhil,
Thanks. I did try that. I tried any and everything I could think of. Although I have never been able to export the registry and then use the /c switch to bring it back together. This time was no different. I found that any manipulation I tried, i.e. opt or fix failed and I ended up with a new rbbad.cab and a registry replacement.(I'm grateful that worked or I would have had to format right there.) I tried all day again today. I was able to get into Safe Mode. Extended memory was functioning. I must have had a corrupt registry.

To all,
This install was corrupt. Not only the Registry. I have had repeated problems over the past couple weeks with DOS and files disappearing. FTP wouldn't work. I have been fighting it but finally I had no choice. An 8 month installation not bad, I guess. No repairs would hold.
I formatted and resinstalled.


A fresh system.dat in my HP Pavilion 8760C yields a system.dat of 7.32 MB. I uninstalled the programs I don't want.Ran Ole Clean & did a scanreg /opt and scanreg /fix which now both work.

After installing IE and security programs plus a few other necessities, I now have a system.dat = 7.22 MB

It's going to be a challenge keeping it in check. I still have a lot more to install. But it's wise to go slowly. I will do that.

Thanks for all the help. Especially Rog. You hung in there.


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Mo:
Glad to see you resolved the issue.

An HP install must put a TON of "****" into the registry.

My System.dat is only 6.2megs and User.dat is slightly over 1. This, after being installed for 4 years with a ton of software apps.

I see you ran OleClean (which housecleans some), but have you tried EasyCleaner or JV's RegCleaner? The latter has an OleClean also.

I have had good success with both.
 

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Hi Mo,

Glad to hear you got it solved, and are once again able to get down to the things you really like!

While we're on the subject of reg cleaners, I have this theory that i't's always a good idea to do a scanreg /fix, before running an application like MS RegClean, at least the first time.

This is based on the fact that RegClean 'prefers' a registry that's in a reasonably good state, to one that isn't, and on the assumption that it therefore finds it easier to distinguish between genuinely orphaned keys and the ones that aren't really.

What does anyone else think about this wild idea?

I do use RegCleaner too, together with RegClean, and Clean Sweep Registry Sweep.
From what I've found, RegClean spots more orphaned keys than RegCleaner does, but this probably is also because everything Microsoft, Windows, and Office is on RegCleaners Ignore list.

And I do always clean up manually after uninstalls before running reg cleaners.
 

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WhitPhil,
I am jealous of your Registry. I want it! I have RegCleanr but not Easy Cleaner. I guess I'll fire up regcleanr too. I actually was using JV's RegCleanr before the format when I was trying to clean up.
The problem was there were too many programs installed and I had cleaned regularly. It was not finding much to remove. You should see the size of the C:\windows\options\cabs folder. It weighs in at 272 MB And there is no resource kit included. :rolleyes:

Tony,

Thanks. But not everything was resolved. I still have shutdown issues. BSOD again last night.
I guess the test would be to run one and then the next registry utility to see whether or not the second finds things to clean up. The next time reverse the order and see which cleans more keys. However, more is not always better. Sometimes they take a little too much off the top. And you would really need to do a head to head. Restore the reg backups after running both or the three and then reverse the order. Do it several times and track it.

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When your registry is backed up on the first boot of the day, it is optimized if there are more than 500 KB unused space.If there's a problem, it is replaced. If there isn't a replacement, scanreg tries to fix the problem. So, if you run the scanreg /fix, you may prevent a possible registry backup from being performed and the loss of any changes you have made. That is, if the registry is fixable. You can always try a fix if you suspect a problem. That will correct what scanreg sees as errors. An opt will compact the registry. Fix does an opt. I am doing opt and then fix these days. After an uninstall, I think the registry cleaning and then a scanreg /opt would be the way to go. A scanreg /fix may be overkill. After you get back to windows,you should do a defrag as well. Do this routine after every uninstall to keep the registry in good shape. And an SFC to keep track of your files. (you said you manually cleaned up too. It sounds like you are doing quite a bit)
And I always keep my backups after doing any kind of a registry cleaner to be sure I can put back anything it mistakenly has removed.
After a registry cleaning, a scanreg/opt would be a good idea. After entries are removed, they are still there but not read as being there. The opt will clean that up and from what I have read, prevent possible registry corruption. After the opt, a defrag.
WhitPhil and Rog in another post in another Forum pointed out that the registry is non contiguous after a fix or an opt. A windows defrag takes care of that.

Here's a test for that. From a post by WhitPhil and Rog.
Badly fragmented registry?
Check with Start > Run >

scandisk /f c:\windows\system.dat
scandisk /f c:\windows\user.dat

(Rog)Just do a regular defrag.
Holy shmokes, get this: before running scanreg /opt my user.dat and system.dat had 3 and 2 noncontiguous blocks, respectively.

After: 73 and 13

Time for a defrag I guess.
For anyone else using an HP, This is a good lesson. We have to be very careful and watch the size of our system.dat
 

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Thanks, Mo.

I guess I'll have some experimenting to do...

And yes, I'm a compulsive cleaner...
After an uninstall I do always search my drives (Program Files Folder, Start Menu etc.), and next the registry.
I always find an entry in HKEY_USERS\.DEFAULT\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\MenuOrder\Start Menu\Programs, and often in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software, plus the assorted leftovers in HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT.

I export everything I remove that I'm not absolutely sure about.

And after every couple of uninstalls I run RegClean as well.

This usually doesn't leave much to remove for RegCleaner or Clean Sweep, execept some MRU stuff.

Greetz,
 
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