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i have an am2 socket 3500+ with standard fan and cooling. With 2 x 1gb of ddr2 667 memory

It is currently 2.2ghz and i was wandering what sort of power i could push it to, and how.

I am considering fitting a dual core anyway, but im awaiting asus to email me back with compatible processors.

So, if anyone would like to give me a hand id really appreciate it.

cheers,

Nick
 

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nicknack383 said:
i have an am2 socket 3500+ with standard fan and cooling. With 2 x 1gb of ddr2 667 memory

It is currently 2.2ghz and i was wandering what sort of power i could push it to, and how.

I am considering fitting a dual core anyway, but im awaiting asus to email me back with compatible processors.

So, if anyone would like to give me a hand id really appreciate it.

cheers,

Nick
Hi nicknack
I just looked at your spec and see that your PSU is only 250W It is probably only just coping with your set up now.If you start O/C or upgrading you will definitely require a more powerful PSU.I recommend you read how to build your own pc in the sticky above this.
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Hi nicknack
Yes the Corsair HX620W will run a single 8800 but before you go head with what you are planning there are a lot more things to consider you will need at least 1GB of DDR ram a good sound card, and as you say you intend to fit a duel core cpu you will have to look into cooling
air flow you will require at least two 120mm fans and a big case as not to interfere with air flow one of the akasa cpu coolers.You will need to do all these things to balance the system.if you do not you will just not get a good result from your new psu and GPU
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Branded type comps dont allow overclocking, the bios's are limited, you will have to build a real computer, with a real MB. Companies ie Dell, HP, Gateway etc. dont want you messing around with their systems, breaking something and then trying to return for warantee work, so they strip the bios of all of these controls, ie, core voltage, bus freq, etc.
 

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Nicknack383 - is your PC a custom built or a name brand such as Hpaq (who sells lots of AM2/3500 systems), but as I just checked - a Packard Bell, which is a dead brand in the USA, does an odd thing and they TELL you what kind of mobos they install in your system.

Due note that ASUS makes your board, but its an OEM version, they don't make anything simular for end-user. On the ASUS website, it doesn't exist.

Anyways, there is NO OVERCLOCKING on namebrand systems. Other than AlienWare and top-end $3000 gaming Dells and other custom builders.

Your board should support a faster CPU (it does, but the question is, has PBell locked the BIOS to only the 3500?) which case, you may want to look at the AMD AM2 x2 4600CPU.

Considering what you have (A basic PC system, which looks simular Hpaq/Gateway) - you CANNOT fit an 8800GTX in the case... much less ACTUALLY use it to its fullest abilities.

Recommend the GeForce 8800GTS or 8800GS (1/4 cheaper - out in 30~45days) and a 450watt PSU with Active PFC from a respectable company: ANTEC / Thermaltake / Sparkle / Enermax

That's about the best you can do... PS: The 8800gts will have a tight fit, make sure you buy it LOCALLY and confirm it FITS with your mobo and case... but I'm 90% sure it will fit.

Because the 8800 will generate more heat than anything else in that case - make sure THE case has a rear EXAUST fan attached (many PCs with AM2 CPUs and slower Core2 don't use a fan)... Get a vantec or Antec fan for $10 or so.


So make sure you can RETURN parts if things do not work out.
- 8800GTX gpu = will not likely fit nor come close to its performance max
- 8800gts will fit
- 600+watt PSU is not required. 450~500watt will do(with PFC) cost a lot less.
- add cooling fan or may have to replace with higher-performance version.

Also, if you install all this, take a pic... I'd like to see if it fits and what the inside of a PB system looks like.
 

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my ideal system will use the existing motherboard but with these upgrades ( i covered this in a similar post but had no replies so its great ive got some help now :))

same mobo
same case
Corsair HX Series 620W Modular PSU - ATX12V v2.2 APFC
Corsair 2GB Kit (2x1GB) DDR2 5300/5400 667mhz (fitted)
Arctic Cooling Freezer64 pro with heat pipe
AMD Athlon 64 5000+ (2.6GHz) Socket AM2 Dual Core 1MB L2 Cache Retail Boxed Processor (if this will work)
BFG GeForce 8800GTX

and of course a tempurature gauge and possibly a 7200rpm 160gb slave drive.

if the motherboard did support a higher cpu, would i best off with another case then to put this all in (as stated with a rear exhaust fan) is the form factor the only thing i need to ensure easy fitment?

Thanks for all your help! :D

edit: this is the actual computer i have: http://support.packardbell.com/uk/item/index.php?sn=049908720142&t=1409
 

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A temperature gauge won't be too useful, it'll only measure the ambient temperature near the heatsink. You should use a software monitor like Speedfan to measure the built-in sensors.
 

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nicknack383 said:
my ideal system will use the existing motherboard but with these upgrades ( i covered this in a similar post but had no replies so its great ive got some help now :))

same mobo
same case
Corsair HX Series 620W Modular PSU - ATX12V v2.2 APFC
Corsair 2GB Kit (2x1GB) DDR2 5300/5400 667mhz (fitted)
Arctic Cooling Freezer64 pro with heat pipe
AMD Athlon 64 5000+ (2.6GHz) Socket AM2 Dual Core 1MB L2 Cache Retail Boxed Processor (if this will work)
BFG GeForce 8800GTX

and of course a tempurature gauge and possibly a 7200rpm 160gb slave drive.

if the motherboard did support a higher cpu, would i best off with another case then to put this all in (as stated with a rear exhaust fan) is the form factor the only thing i need to ensure easy fitment?

Thanks for all your help! :D

edit: this is the actual computer i have: http://support.packardbell.com/uk/item/index.php?sn=049908720142&t=1409
as was said youre upgrade options can be very sticky with a branded pc, this MB will not allow any overclocking and also be very careful about upgrading cpu, make sure mb supports your choice.
make sure your existing PSU is true atx type, wiring at 20pin/24pin must be identical to atx standard.
as far as your gfx card fitting, that is going to be found out when you buy it, since your case is for micro-atx mb it may be very tight
 

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http://support.packardbell.com/uk/item/index.php?i=instr_connectors_boston&psn=049908720142

that is all the available info i ave on the mobo itself. Cheers,

Nick
wow, I cant imagine getting a big gfx card in there, thats a small minitower, no rear exhaust fan, yikes:eek: temperature control may become an issue, i dont even think you'll get any large heatsink in there either, at stock speeds the cpu would probably be ok, and this MB will not oc anyway. you have to remember its not a true Asus MB, these are made just for PB they will most likely have a modified BIOS, not like on an Asus MB that you would buy retail.
 

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A motherboard and case is pretty minor compared to the cost of the rest of your upgrades. Your better off with a motherboard that has the the ability of overclocking anyway. Otherwise the only way i can see you being able to overclock is by flashing the bios with a modified version. I wouldn't go that route myself unless i was prepared to replace the motherboard. A failed flash will essentially kill your motherboard.
 

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A motherboard and case is pretty minor compared to the cost of the rest of your upgrades. Your better off with a motherboard that has the the ability of overclocking anyway. Otherwise the only way i can see you being able to overclock is by flashing the bios with a modified version. I wouldn't go that route myself unless i was prepared to replace the motherboard. A failed flash will essentially kill your motherboard.
not to mention that the restore disk wont work anymore
 

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See...?

There any photos showing the enside of your case. But eyeballing and looking at what stas there are - you're buying an expensice PSU for a card that will most likely NOT FIT inside with a questionable mobo.

Your best bet. Sell the system for what its worth - but that money towards BUYING what you need. Youre looking at spending $1350(USD) and make it work with a basic PC that has a value of about $450USD NEW. (Does it already have DDR2-667?, if so - no point in changing the RAM) Sell it for about $300USD.

That'll buy the:
Mobo = $90~120USD
Case = $50~100USD (Look at Coolermaster Centerion for $50)
PSU550 = $120usd (For a single GPU 8800GTX, it will do)
Drives = $150 (For DVD burner and 400GB HD)
Misc = $140 (OS / Mouse / Keyboard)
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TOTAL = 550

Then get the AMD AM2 4600 - its sometimes faster than the 5000... but at that MUCH money, you might as well get an Intel Core2Duo e6300 and overclock it... it'll smoke AMD.
 

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nicknack383 said:
i have an am2 socket 3500+ with standard fan and cooling. With 2 x 1gb of ddr2 667 memory

It is currently 2.2ghz and i was wandering what sort of power i could push it to, and how.

I am considering fitting a dual core anyway, but im awaiting asus to email me back with compatible processors.

So, if anyone would like to give me a hand id really appreciate it.

cheers,

Nick
I am of the understanding AMDs' are already overclocked. Your 2.2ghz is already at 3.5 (3500+). This is how they achieve their performance without the heat. Push them anymore and they become very unstable.
 

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I am of the understanding AMDs' are already overclocked. Your 2.2ghz is already at 3.5 (3500+). This is how they achieve their performance without the heat. Push them anymore and they become very unstable.
er... um... no. Single and dual core CPUs operate at different speeds. It operates at 2.2ghz from the factory. Please don't spread FUD. All CPUs are clocked higher than their bus speed. ANY CPU pushed past their limits would be unstable.
 

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I am of the understanding AMDs' are already overclocked. Your 2.2ghz is already at 3.5 (3500+). This is how they achieve their performance without the heat. Push them anymore and they become very unstable.
well no, 2.2 is 2.2, that is the actual clock cycle, AMD went with a different design of chip architecture that makes use of on board memeory controller to achieve the same performance of an intel cpu running at 3.5ghz, it was to give the user a way of comparring the two cpuz. The new core 2 duo from intel is a similar sistuation, lower clock + some technical magic and you have a chip that can out perform a cpu that uses clock speed alone. Many AMD Athlon64 have been overclocked with total success, you just have to know what youre doing;)
 

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well no, 2.2 is 2.2, that is the actual clock cycle, AMD went with a different design of chip architecture that makes use of on board memeory controller to achieve the same performance of an intel cpu running at 3.5ghz, it was to give the user a way of comparring the two cpuz. The new core 2 duo from intel is a similar sistuation, lower clock + some technical magic and you have a chip that can out perform a cpu that uses clock speed alone. Many AMD Athlon64 have been overclocked with total success, you just have to know what youre doing;)
Exactly. I run my 4400+ at 2600 mhz and have not an issue. If you want more than you paid for, start pushing the FSB and drop the HTT.

I am at 260x10 with an HTT of 4x giving me 1040 on top. I have a rock solid stable system with a vcore of 1.425 and a max temp of 45* C.
 

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Actually, AMD went with the model numbers with XP to "kind of" match the Mhz level of the original Athlons. hey sure didn't match up with the Intel clock rates and the AMD64 models didn't translate into AMD-32 CPUs, so they went with pretty much clock rate/performance class type thing.

The AMD-32 3000 was faster than the original P4-3.0Ghz CPU (Intel made about 5 versions of the 3Ghz Netburst design) The AMD64-3200 was easily faster in many benchmarks against the P4-EE3.4Ghz. The AMD 5200s are sure NOT performance scaled against the AMD 4000... in that as the model #s go up, the performance scale matches.

Hence, the differences between the 4600/4800/5000 are almost identical.
 
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