[LANMaster]

And Kerry wants the support of veterans and the military???
If this doesn't show a lack of Presidential leadership, then I want some of what you're smoking.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/4/7/104340.shtml

Excerpt -

Newsmax.com
Wednesday, Apr. 07, 2004
Kerry: Terrorist Shiite Al-Sadr 'A Legitimate Voice'

In an interview broadcast Wednesday morning, Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry defended terrorist Shiite imam Moqtada al-Sadr as a "legitimate voice" in Iraq, despite that fact that he's led an uprising that has killed nearly 20 American GIs in the last two days.

Speaking of al-Sadr's newspaper, which was shut down by coalition forces last week after it urged violence against U.S. troops, Kerry complained to National Public Radio, "They shut a newspaper that belongs to a legitimate voice in Iraq."

In the next breath, however, the White House hopeful caught himself and quickly changed direction, adding, "Well, let me . . . change the term legitimate. It belongs to a voice — because he has clearly taken on a far more radical tone in recent days and aligned himself with both Hamas and Hezbollah, which is a sort of terrorist alignment."

But Kerry again seemed to voice sympathy for the Shiite terrorist when asked whether he supported al Sadr's arrest. "Not if it’s an isolated act without the other kinds of steps necessary to change the dynamics on the ground in Iraq," Kerry told NPR, in quotes first reported by the New York Sun.

Speaking of al-Sadr's newspaper, which was shut down by coalition forces last week after it urged violence against U.S. troops, Kerry complained to National Public Radio, "They shut a newspaper that belongs to a legitimate voice in Iraq."

In the next breath, however, the White House hopeful caught himself and quickly changed direction, adding, "Well, let me . . . change the term legitimate. It belongs to a voice — because he has clearly taken on a far more radical tone in recent days and aligned himself with both Hamas and Hezbollah, which is a sort of terrorist alignment."

Sort of? WTF !!!
Oh man! This guy must never be given the chance to be the leader of the free world.

 

[angelize56]

"In an interview broadcast Wednesday morning, Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry defended terrorist Shiite imam Moqtada al-Sadr as a "legitimate voice" in Iraq, despite that fact that he's led an uprising that has killed nearly 20 American GIs in the last two days."

Very scary thoughts for a presidential candidate! What was he thinking!!! :down: Or does he even think before he speaks......

 

[LANMaster]

Open mouth, insert both feet.

 

[Infidel_Kastro]

"Well, let me . . . change the term legitimate. It belongs to a voice — because he has clearly taken on a far more radical tone in recent days and aligned himself with both Hamas and Hezbollah, which is a sort of terrorist alignment."
Sort of? These are listed terrorist agents and groups according to the US. thats like being a little pregnant, or having a mild case of AIDS.
ATTENTION JOHN KERRY HANDLERS!!
You all are fired for letting him speak.

 

[ComputerFix]

I can kinda understand what he is trying to say (and as someone who fumbles words, I can sympathize. Good thing I'm not in politics )

The real question is, is it truely a "voice", or a radical spouting. I don't consider hate group publications as a "voice" of America, but they are certainly speaking for some people. Are they "legitimate" in my eyes, most certainly not.

Just some "moderate" thinking on my part......

As for the impact on his run for Presidency....back to square one trying to get my vote. One does not even hint towards legitimacy for extremism.

John, buddy, you get so close and then blow it...c'mon man, I'm trying to give it to ya, but your workin against me here!

 

[angelize56]

Alright CF! :up:

 

[angelize56]

"The Secret Service has announced it is doubling its protection for John Kerry. You can understand why — with two positions on every issue, he has twice as many people mad at him." —Jay Leno

"An Internet rumor claims that John Kerry had an affair with a young woman. When asked if this was similar to the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal, a spokesman said 'Close, but no cigar.'" —Jimmy Fallon, Saturday Night Live's "Weekend Update"

"The head of the AFL-CIO endorsed John Kerry, saying, 'The time has come to come behind one man, one leader, one candidate.' Then he said, 'And until we find that man, we will endorse John Kerry.'" —Conan O'Brien

"In his speech last night, John Kerry said this was the beginning of the end of the Bush administration. I agree. Sure, it may take another five years, but this is it." —Jay Leno

 

[Infidel_Kastro]

I can kinda understand what he is trying to say (and as someone who fumbles words, I can sympathize. Good thing I'm not in politics )

The real question is, is it truely a "voice", or a radical spouting. I don't consider hate group publications as a "voice" of America, but they are certainly speaking for some people. Are they "legitimate" in my eyes, most certainly not.

Just some "moderate" thinking on my part......

As for the impact on his run for Presidency....back to square one trying to get my vote. One does not even hint towards legitimacy for extremism.

John, buddy, you get so close and then blow it...c'mon man, I'm trying to give it to ya, but your workin against me here!

CF, come to the dark side. Embrace Republican poltics and together, we can blow things up.

 

[plschwartz]

Gee guys what ever happened to two of those rights we hold dear:
1. Freedom of speech
2. Freedom of the press.

I don't like what Sadr said but he like Rush has the right in a democracy to say it
I don't like Fox (murdoch) news but like the Sadr paper it has a right to publish as do all the extremist right -wing web sites

Were the warrants against Sadr and his assistants issued in open or a closed court?

We told the Iraqis and the world that we invaded to set up a US style democracy.

Then we close a paper of a popular leader.
So we arrest an aide of Sadr on questionable charges.
(On the heels of the Israeli asassination of the Hamas leader)

The acts mentioned above certainly go against my idea of democracy and seems at the least stupid and provocative
In response to this there was a protest.
In aprevious post you may remember that I detailed our response to this angry but peaceful protest: You have the democratic right to protest but you are blocking traffic.
Then we dispursed the mob and the fighting started.

Whose hands are stained with blood Sadr? Bremer?

As the dude said look for the mote in your own eye.

 

[LANMaster]

Iraq is currently not a Democracy at this point, and certainly does not fall under the same rights and privaledges as the USA.

Iraq doesn't have a Democracy or a court system ... yet.

The USA is currently in a state of war with Iraq. We had every right to shut down that newspaper, for whatever reason. But the reason in this case is an extremely good one.

 

[bassetman]

Well, since the Bush admin needed to reopen Reagan's office of "What the President Meant to Say" it seems ironic fro a Bush backer to attack Keryy for mis-speaking!

 

[LANMaster]

Well, since the Bush admin needed to reopen Reagan's office of "What the President Meant to Say" it seems ironic fro a Bush backer to attack Keryy for mis-speaking!

Come on. Ironic? Sheeeesh.

 

[LANMaster]

Since we're on the topic of feet in politicians' mouths ....

Jackson: War in Iraq crime against life

Boston Herald
April 5th, 2004

(excerpt)
The Rev. Jesse Jackson said yesterday that the United Nations should consider sanctioning the United States for its decision to "murder all these people on faulty information" by waging war in Iraq.
Speaking in Boston on the eve of the anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.'s assassination, Jackson said the word "murder" was appropriate - if inflammatory.

"When you kill people outside of international law, I'm not sure what you should call it," the civil rights leader said.

Jackson later called the U.S. invasion of Iraq "a crime against humanity."

"Iraqis are human beings, too. We killed them, . . . we executed people on this flawed policy," he said.

Jackson was in the city for a series of events, including delivering an address to the annual 21st Century Black Massachusetts Conference at the John B. Hynes Veterans Memorial Convention Center. His speech focused on eliminating the Electoral College. A constitutional amendment Jackson and others are pushing also would give the District of Columbia seats in Congress.

But it was during conversations with reporters before his formal talk that Jackson delivered his harshest comments.

A U.N. investigation into the Iraq war is warranted, he said, because the United States is acting as "our own referee, judge and jury in this action."

"I'm not sure the U.N. has the power to act against us in a miltary way, but they have a right to make a moral judgment," he said.

"As when other nations violate the law, we should have hearings," he said. "Then, actions are determined."

"To whom are we accountable for engaging in such attoricities?" he asked.

Even if no sanctions are imposed, Jackson said, the United States should "apologize" to the survivors of Americans and Iraqis who have been killed in the conflict. At home, he said, Congress should determine whether President Bush committed an impeachable offense in making his case for war.

Full Story

Jackson is an idiot.

 

[Infidel_Kastro]

Gee guys what ever happened to two of those rights we hold dear:
1. Freedom of speech
2. Freedom of the press.

I don't like what Sadr said but he like Rush has the right in a democracy to say it
I don't like Fox (murdoch) news but like the Sadr paper it has a right to publish as do all the extremist right -wing web sites

Were the warrants against Sadr and his assistants issued in open or a closed court?

We told the Iraqis that we wanted a US style democracy.

Then we close a paper of a popular leader.
So we arrest an aide on questionable charges.
(On the heels of the Israeli asassination of the Hamas leader)

The acts mentioned above certainly go against my idea of democracy and seems at the least stupid and provocative
In response to this there was a protest.
In aprevious post you may remember that I detailed our response to this angry but peaceful protest: You have the democratic right to protest but you are blocking traffic.
Then we dispursed the mob and the fighting started.

Whose hands are stained with blood Sadr? Bremer?

As the dude said look for the mote in your own eye.

Hate speech is not protected by the constitution. Openly calling for the killing of someone in the US is considered making a terroristic threat. So democracy is working quite well in Iraq. As gbrumb said in a different thread, you have the right to free speech, but you don't have the right to be heard. Sadr needs to realize that in a democracy, if you don't agree with the government, blowing it up is not the correct way expressing one's thoughts and beliefs. And as far as the Israeli's, that has nothing to do with us, or this particular matter.

 

[bassetman]

Come on. Ironic? Sheeeesh.

Characterized by or constituting irony.
Given to the use of irony. See Synonyms at sarcastic.
Poignantly contrary to what was expected or intended: madness, an ironic fate for such a clear thinker.

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i·roni·cal·ly adv.
i·roni·cal·ness n.
Usage Note: The words ironic, irony, and ironically are sometimes used of events and circumstances that might better be described as simply "coincidental" or "improbable," in that they suggest no particular lessons about human vanity or folly. Thus 78 percent of the Usage Panel rejects the use of ironically in the sentence In 1969 Susie moved from Ithaca to California where she met her husband-to-be, who, ironically, also came from upstate New York. Some Panelists noted that this particular usage might be acceptable if Susie had in fact moved to California in order to find a husband, in which case the story could be taken as exemplifying the folly of supposing that we can know what fate has in store for us. By contrast, 73 percent accepted the sentence Ironically, even as the government was fulminating against American policy, American jeans and videocassettes were the hottest items in the stalls of the market, where the incongruity can be seen as an example of human inconsistency

 

[LANMaster]

The difference is that Kerry said exactly what he meant.
He must be having a flashback to April 22, 1971.

 

[plschwartz]

LAN:
I am beginning to believe you went to law school
1. What was the good reason to shut down the paper?
2. From my experience with very angry people I learned what every good cop knows: When someone is angry just let him ventilate. Most of the time he will wear himself out and de-escalate.
Respond to anger with power and you may get a de-escalation or you may get an escalation, which here is what happened. Most of the time this challange is due to the power needs of the "cop"
If you want to de-escalate in the immediate situation it is wrong to escalate symmetrically. You have to go "up the ladder" and respond in force. (Of course you pay for this later)
Had we gone in and jsut cold arrested Sadr there would have been a large outcry here in Iraq and abroad. So we goaded him by smaller moves that got him to draw. Its the stuff of a hundred bad westerns the gunfighter provokes the farmer into drawing on him. Give Bremer his black hat or is he just a hired hand on the ranch?

 

[ComputerFix]

Ironically, IK, there seems to be quite the split by many as to if I am on that "dark side" or not. I am everything from a bleeding hart to hartless, depending on what I write and who reads it.

 

[bassetman]

CF LOL some are still trying to "define" you!

Keep trying logic on him PL it may sink in one of these days!

 

[LANMaster]

he he he No law school for me, but I have studied law intesely in the past.

Iraq is not a police action. It is a warzone.
Arresting Sadr would not have been possible when he's surrounded himself with fanatics. Had we tried to "serve him warrant papers" the coalition casualty rate may have actually been higher without any resolution to the problem at hand.

The war phase of this operation is not over. When President Bush stated that the end of major combat was at hand, he was mistaken.