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Hey Guys,

I could just do with some clarification from someone before I recommend any further advice.
Ok, Here goes.
Ok, repairing a computer and in my opinion the hard drive has failed, as it just gives error upon error.
When i first looked at it, I had the error which is current, so i re-formatted, and reinstalled windows XP.
After doing so I kept it for a couple of days, just to make sure there were no continuing errors. I ran all of pcpitstops tests, and ran a couple of "stress Tests" on it to make sure it could cope.
My friend collected it, and all was fine.

TWO WEEKS LATER

Now I got a phonce call last night to say that when using it and attempting to open a program an error would occur, now my friend sdescription of this error is as follows:

"Error 1327 F:\"
ok, so my instant reaction was that the second hard drive they have, had failed. Because this was about 10Pm, I was unable to assisst in thematter directly, and recommended that she just shuts it down.

I am now currently at hers and it wont even boot. It just shows many different errors on boot, and i enabled S.M.A.R.T mode to detect if anything was wrong with it (error from this mentioned later on in post)

The first is the classic "NTLDR IS MISSING" error, ok fair enough, pretty simple to resolve normally.
So I restart it to go to bios to change the boot device to floppy, fro when i fix the NTLDR error, the next error was from the S.M.A.R.T detection system in the bios, and it was saying that failure is imminent.
Ok, restarted it, and was going to just see what else it would throw up. Surely enough it did. I let it boot, and it gave no errors. However all over the screen were the RGB colors (eg red, blue, green, purple etc) and in each one foriegn lettering ( é á ó í ú) and that's all that was displayed.

Ok, so I'm now thinking that the hard drives have ad sectors or something, and that they are now no good. i just wanted some confirmation or advice or something before I take any more actions. I have found a 160GB HDD from dabs.com for £37.90 (I think about $70) which i didn't think was bad.

System specs are as follows:
Main Board
Brand/Model
Type Desktop
Serial Number Not available
BIOS Phoenix Technologies, LTD 6.00 PG 06/29/2004
System Board SiS-730

Processor information
Nominal Clock Speed 952 MHz
Measured Clock Speed 952 MHz
External Clock Speed 100 MHz
CPU Load 2%
Speed Rating 2625 (101% of 11 similar)

Memory
512MB Ram 2x 256

Video Card / graphics adapter
Onboard, SIS-300

Hard Drives
2 x 20GB Seagate IDE hard drives
C:Operating system and documents (partitioned to Z:)
F:programs and apps.

Running Windows Xp Prow all current updates.

Anything else you want to know, feel free to post here, PM me, Im me whatever i'll reply.

Would appreciate any help, advice, comments, or anything you can offer, Im all ears!

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Anthony:p
 

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Hey,
Just checked it out, and realised that that wont work as I can't boot it to windows.

Thanks though,
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Since the hard disk seemed to be OK, I wouldn't dismiss the possibility that you have other issues, perhaps memory problems. I'd run one of these memory tests for several hours to eliminate that possibility. Memory problems can corrupt the disk, resulting in the kind of symptoms you see.

Microsoft Memory Diagnostic

MEMtest86
 

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Just a note if you decide to get a new HDD. If the new one is SATA, make sure that the motherboard has SATA built in. If it doesn't, you can buy SATA controller cards, but I have never used them myself.
 

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Hey John,
Yeah thanks tfor that, just about to run it, will let you know of the results. I'm greatful for all the suggestions.

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Hi Jack,
Thanks, i did take note to that, and I've never used them myself either, although I think i'll just stick to IDE for now.

Thanks though.

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Howdy folks...

the next error was from the S.M.A.R.T detection system in the bios, and it was saying that failure is imminent.
If S.M.A.R.T detects an error you can just about bet the farm it is correct, you can always download the manufactures disk diagnostics and test it...

JMO...
 

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Hi Jedi_Master,

Yeah, that's what made me consider the hard drive being *wrong* *EDIT: FAULTY*

@ JohnWill
I have just started running it on the computer (on laptop now) and I hope it is running correct.
On the screen I have a load of words and numbers (sorry can't think of a good way to describe it or the correct name, it's been a long day).
It also has ===================EXCEPTION=====================
Wrote at the top.

yeah so if that's correct it is running now, if not then im puzzled.
It was wrote to a CD, as the laptop doesn't have a floppy drive, so could be this that is causing it, when i get home I'll write it to floppy, to see if it makes a difference.
But any other immeditate solutions that could be executed now, just to try adn get to the bottom?
If not then I'll continue the posting tommorow, after I have been home.
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Which memory test are you running?

If it's the Microsoft Diagnostic, no errors should be annunciated in the lower part of the screen, it should say. "No errors found" for as long as you run it.

If it's MEMTEST86, the bottom part of the screen has an error count, this should remain at zero with nothing displayed below it.
 

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Hey John,

I ran the windows one, I don't think it was written to the disk properly as it didn't seem to be doing much.
I am currently writing it to floppy, and will be returning tommorow.

I'll let you know how it goes.

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Anthony:-P said:
Hey,
Just checked it out, and realised that that wont work as I can't boot it to windows.
Spinrite is a tiny program that will run from a bootable DOS floppy. You don't need to boot to windows.
 

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Hi,
@bbearen - Sorry i noticed the screen shot of the windows program and assumed that it had to run in windows.
Sorry for that, will take it with me leter on today.

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Hi,
Back today, and still no luck.
Got the memory tests on floppy, and a test from seagate to make sure that HDD was ok.
Didn't get spinrite was a little short on time.

Ok, so it wouldn't have anything.
I have managed to get it to boot a windows installation disc, but it wont boot those tests from floppy.
I just get a "dos" screen, which you get during boot, and it first says boot from cd: twice, and then i just have a blank screen with the white underscore blinking in the top left hand corner.
Yet although it is saying that the hard drive is corrupt, the seagate test started print the boot screen off. I found this strange as it claims it can't access the HDD.

So now im baffled?!?!??!? :s

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Get Spinrite, make a bootable DOS floppy and copy Spinrite to it, then boot from the floppy and run Spinrite.
 

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If you can't boot from a floppy, I'd address that issue. Booting from a floppy doesn't involve the hard disk at all. AAMOF, I'd disconnect the hard drive and see if you can then boot.
 

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Hey guys,

Ok so I know the HDD is pretty much gone really as I tried to repair / re-install windows, it just says that the HDD is damaged, and it cannot be formatted. I have changed the cables around etc etc, but nothing so, IMHO HDD is a goner, well it has been going for about 8years, i found 98 on one of their HDD's when I installed it.

Ok, so I re-seated the RAM, checked all the cables, etc etc didn't affect much (still no post), and it just wont boot from floppy or even a boot CD (other than windows - which is hit and miss sometimes it'd run, sometimes it wouldn't). When I boot from floppy i get that ===============EXCEPTION================ error and other times it will just have the blinking cursor in the top left hand corner.

Ok, so i have some spare RAM somewhere, going to give that a shot...Got a new HDD coming, (160gb for £37 isn't bad) and then if that don't work, I got enough spare parts to re-build it.

Loving the suggestions though.
Writing this at home currently, going back down at the weekend, and I will play around again.
So I will be getting Spinrite, HDD Regenerator and trying them. I'm more baffled than anything, hence continuing to deal with it.

Later guys,
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Well, if all else fails, you could always send the HDD to me. ^_^
I'm always looking for a good broken HDD to have fun with. If I get it working, I'll send it right back as I tend to do every now and then. Only problem is that if it's a notebook HDD, I tend to charge $5 since it requires special equipment to repair. Otherwise, I do the work for free. If you're up for it, I can give you the address. I understand that you would be putting a great amount of trust into me in doing this, but if you don't want the HDD or have nothing to lose, it might be a good deal. ^_^
let me know.
 
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