Well its not rubbish, the agp version I had that was 64bit/128 mb ram ran current games pretty well, on medium/no aa, I mean if your not a heavy gamer it was great & cheap, it all depends on what your doing with the card. If you want to play HL2 on full settings your going no where with a pci and your budget anyway, so dont waste your time. What does the rest of your system look like, if all you have is a pci slot, chances are your pc isnt going to run games that well anyway, pci slot only pcz are office machines.will182 said: