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Have read many articles over the past couple of years concerning the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and understand the basics of the conflict, I think, but I do not understand why the US Government seems to want to back Israel no matter what they do.
Examples:
1) If terrorist lives in this home then terrorist is killed and family home destroyed even if home is filled with other family members not involved.
2) Arbitrarily annex territory at whim taking over others lands Palestinians have homesteaded for years and use as Israel pleases.
3) The killing of a wheelchair bound, blind and deaf leader.

I assume there is some history to this backing and wish to know.

Dave
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linskyjack said:
Ethnic cleansing---okay---how many Palestenians have been killed during the Infatada and how many live in the territories---I hardly call that ethnic cleansing---once again pure hyperbole and very inflammatory. If you dont want to be known as the good German then focus you attention to whats going on in the Arab world.
I was just being rhetorical. I was hoping you wouldn't want to be a "good German" either. Ethnic cleansing?
Deir Yassin?
Ethnic cleansing--Arab riots of the 1920's and 30's-----Massacre at Lod Airport etc--I could go on and on------
xico said:
Do you realize that the racially pure state of Israel is very similar to the racially pure Aryan state of Adolf Hitler?
Is this true? And the bush administration supports this?
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Me too. Lebanon?
Actually thats racist. Israel has over a million Arabs living within its borders who have the full rights of citizenship. There are Arabs in the Knesset etc. Xico some of the things you say are outrageous.
linskyjack said:
Actually thats racist. Israel has over a million Arabs living within its borders who have the full rights of citizenship. There are Arabs in the Knesset etc. Xico some of the things you say are outrageous.
Jack, from what I've read that is simply not true. For one, like apartheid South Africa, an Arab who marries a Jew cannot live with her or him.To live together they have to leave the country. Special roads for Israelis. etc.

Actually thats racist.
Im confused on that one. :confused:
Total Rubbish---please post your source.
Statistics
The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is one of the world’s major sources of instability.

Americans are directly connected to this conflict, and increasingly imperiled by its devastation.

It is the goal of If Americans Knew to provide full and accurate information on this critical issue, and on our power – and duty – to bring a resolution.

Below are charts of eight little-known statistics.
Please click on any statistic for the source and more information.

The U.S. gives $15,139,178 per day to the Israeli government and military and $568,744 per day to Palestinian NGO’s.

Israel has been targeted by at least 65 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by none.

989 Israelis and 3,212 Palestinians have been killed since September 29, 2000.

6,709 Israelis and 27,432 Palestinians have been injured since September 29, 2000.

The Israeli unemployment rate is 10.4%, while the Palestinian unemployment is estimated at 37-67%.

112 Israeli children have been killed by Palestinians and 613 Palestinian children have been killed by Israelis since September 29, 2000.

1 Israeli home has been destroyed by Palestinians and 2,202 Palestinian homes have been completely destroyed (14,436 partially destroyed) since September 29, 2000.

60+ new Jewish-only settlements have been built on confiscated Palestinian land between March 2001 and July 11, 2003. There have been 0 cases of Palestinians confiscating Israeli land and building settlements.



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Wal-Mart ends anti-Semitic book sale

No. 1 retailer agrees to take tract off online market after complaints from Jewish leaders.
September 24, 2004: 8:46 AM EDT

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Bowing to a barrage of complaints from Jewish groups, retail leader Wal-Mart Inc. has stopped selling "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion," an infamous anti-Semitic tract long exposed as fake.

Jewish leaders had complained that the book, which purports to tell of an international Jewish conspiracy to take over the world, was being sold on Walmart.com with a description that suggested it might be genuine instead of a forgery concocted by the Czarist secret police in the early 20th Century.

The description, now withdrawn from the Wal-Mart (WMT: Research, Estimates) Web site, said, "If ... The Protocols are genuine (which can never be proven conclusively), it might cause some of us to keep a wary eye on world affairs. We neither support nor deny its message. We simply make it available for those who wish a copy."

In a statement e-mailed to Reuters, a Wal-Mart spokeswoman said, "Based on significant customer feedback regarding the book titled 'The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion,' we have made a business decision to remove this book ... from our site at www.walmart.com."

Wal-Mart had no immediate response to questions on whether the company wrote the description of the book on the Web site or if it came from the publisher.

Anti-Defamation League head Abraham Foxman and Rabbi Abraham Cooper, assistant dean of the international Jewish human rights group The Simon Wiesenthal Center, wrote to Wal-Mart President Lee Scott expressing their astonishment that the book was on sale without a disclaimer.

"We are, quite frankly, astounded that a reputable company would even give consideration to marketing this flagrantly hateful text, which libels the Jewish religion and perpetuates the bizarre notion of a Jewish plot to take over the world," Cooper said in his letter to Scott.

"This forgery, first penned by members of the Czarist secret police, the Okhrana, has been used by tyrants throughout the last 100 years to justify the persecution of Jews, including Adolf Hitler. Its hideous intent is so apparent, that it has been dubbed 'a warrant for genocide.'"

Both Barnes & Noble and Amazon.com sell "The Protocols" online but with strong disclaimers.

Foxman told Reuters that while he did not think he should tell Wal-Mart what it should sell, the company should have made it clear that the book was "a hateful anti-Semitic forgery. It was projected as a legitimate historic book. If it was going to be sold, it should be sold responsibly."

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...f=sr_1_1/002-8409608-3229622?v=glance&s=books
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linskyjack said:
Total Rubbish---please post your source.
See Israel Shamir's website.
UN Resolution 252 declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital.
UN Resolution 267 'censures' Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem".
UN Resolution 271 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN Resolutions on Jerusalem".
UN Resolution 298 'deplores' Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem".
UN Resolution 476 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are 'null and void'".
UN # Resolution 478: 'censures (Israel) in the strongest terms' for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'".

www.whatreallyhappened.com
Israel Shamir is a noted anti-semite---I have read enough of his garbage. Please refer me to a legitimate source. By the way--you should include the Partition Plan in your list of UN Resolutions that have been ignored. It is probably the most important and led to the violence that you see today.

Thanks for your figures---considering the fact that there are a couple of million Palestenians, you really should retract your statement that the Israelis are involved in ethnic cleansing-
linskyjack said:
Israel Shamir is a noted anti-semite---I have read enough of his garbage. Please refer me to a legitimate source. By the way--you should include the Partition Plan in your list of UN Resolutions that have been ignored. It is probably the most important and led to the violence that you see today.

Thanks for your figures---considering the fact that there are a couple of million Palestenians, you really should retract your statement that the Israelis are involved in ethnic cleansing-
I'll have to think about that. Those couple of million is really what worries Israel, isn't it? The demographics have a chilling effect on the future, and there's nobody blowing you up in New York--kind of. But at least you can ride the subway safely--kind of.
Unacceptable norms

By Esther Zandberg

The chair of geostrategy at the University of Haifa, which is held by Prof. Arnon Soffer, recently published a pamphlet that sums up the "mitzpim project" in the Galilee from the perspective of the period that has gone by since the hilltop communities, situated above Arab towns, began to be established in the late 1970s.

Between 1978 and 1988, 52 new Jewish communities in the mitzpim format were established throughout Galilee, in the heart of a dense Arab population. Their total population is now about 20,000.

The pamphlet, written by Avraham Dor from the university's political science department, set out to examine "the success of the project vis-a-vis the goals that were set for it at the outset." Without mincing words, the study reveals that underlying the project were principles of ethnic discrimination, demographic phobia, and the concept that the country's Arab citizens are not equals but constitute a threat to its existence.

The study examines the project, not all of whose goals were successfully realized, through the test case of the Misgav Regional Council, which has the largest number of mitzpim communities in Galilee (29).

A number of goals were set for the project. First, as Dor explains, a "territorial goal," the gist of which was "to increase the area of the land held by the Jewish population and contain the Arab population's takeover of state lands by increasing the Jewish presence in Galilee." There was also a "demographic goal" of improving the (Jewish) balance of migration to Galilee. From the start, the authorities in charge of the project were skeptical about the possibility of realizing the second goal, and as Dor says, "looking toward the future, the picture is not encouraging," and "the demographic gap between the Arab and Jewish residents of Galilee is continually growing."

However, a third goal, geopolitical in character, was far more successful. This goal, as Dor explains, "was not made public, but there can be no doubt about its centrality in regard to the location of the mitzpim communities. The goal here was to drive wedges between the blocs of Arab settlements, in order to block their ability to create a territorial continuity that would make possible trends toward demands for autonomy in the future." Indeed, Dor writes, "The establishment of the mitzpim communities in conditions of relatively small areas made possible a maximum distribution of settlement sites and the `conquest' of the territory by means of access roads to them and by means of the permanent Jewish presence in the area."

A similar goal underlay the establishment of the Misgav Regional Council itself, in 1982. Its "special boundaries," Dor notes, were intended "to create a clear buffer against the possibility of creating a continuity of Arab settlement." The council's creation was accompanied by "grating voices" on the part of the local Arab communities, Dor says. "It is interesting," he says, as part of his attempt to sum up the goals from the perspective of time, "to examine how this new Jewish population distribution in Galilee is perceived by the Arab public in 2003, more than 20 years after the establishment of the settlement project."

A true riddle. Mohammed Kenaan, the head of the Majdal Krum council (which borders on two mitzpim communities, Gilon and Tsurit), solves the interesting mystery and explains to Dor that the project did, indeed, create a feeling of discrimination in the Arab population, as "it was not getting equal treatment or equal means compared to the investment in the Jewish communities." For example, the Bar-Lev Industrial Zone at Misgav received top priority status and is flourishing, whereas the industrial zone of Majdal Krum, which is directly opposite, was not awarded this coveted status and is having a hard time surviving. Another example has to do with land. It is true that privately owned Arab lands were not expropriated for the creation of the new Jewish communities, as Kenaan acknowledges, but under the updated master plans the lands were "attached" to the Misgav Regional Council, which thereby benefits from the taxes on the lands, instead of the Arab local councils. Dor's impression is that "from Kenaan's point of view, this is perceived as a move of inequality."

The pamphlet shows that the discrimination and inequality are not a systemic failure but a deliberate intention. There is nothing new in all this, of course, but when such banality is offered up as a dry, businesslike, ostensibly nonideological report, it is more difficult than ever to swallow. The chair of geostrategy, as the pamphlet points out, "deals with subjects in the sphere of national security which have a territorial expression." The pamphlet is being distributed in high schools and academic institutions, thus inculcating in future generations unacceptable norms that raise serious questions about the sheer possibility of maintaining a "democratic Jewish state."

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xico said:
The pamphlet, written by Avraham Dor from the university's political science department, set out to examine "the success of the project vis-a-vis the goals that were set for it at the outset." Without mincing words, the study reveals that underlying the project were principles of ethnic discrimination, demographic phobia, and the concept that the country's Arab citizens are not equals but constitute a threat to its existence.
i'm gonna assume here that the word "apartheid" in not appropriate because it is uniquely south african :rolleyes:
iltos said:
i'm gonna assume here that the word "apartheid" in not appropriate because it is uniquely south african :rolleyes:
One entry found for apartheid.

Main Entry: apart·heid
Pronunciation: &-'pär-"tAt, -"tIt
Function: noun
Etymology: Afrikaans, from Dutch, from apart apart + -heid -hood
1 : racial segregation; specifically : a policy of segregation and political and economic discrimination against non-European groups in the Republic of So. Africa
2 : SEPARATION, SEGREGATION <I favor apartheid of smokers -- L. E. Bellin> <sexual apartheid>

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So, it is an Afrikanner word that means racial segragation.
Seems to me to fit, especially with the building of the wall, not to mention the new move in Jerusalem.
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I wonder why Israelis think that Arabs are a threat to their existence? Could it have something to do with what the Arabs have written and what they have said. Could it have something to do with the fact until recently, the so-called main stream PLO vowed to drive all the Jews into the sea and that today, Hamas and Hezobollah are calling for the destruction of Israel? As I have said on many occasions, the Arabs created Sharon.
This is the way to fight terrorism--not invading countries:

Sep. 26 (UPI) -- Israeli security sources confirmed Sunday they were responsible for a car bombing in Damascus that took the life of a senior Hamas leader.

"Some people lead dangerous lives," an Israeli official said in response to the assassination of Izel Dein Sheikh Khalil, the Ha'aretz news service reported.

But a Hamas spokesman, Sami Abu Zuhri, told UPI the assassination was "an Israeli attempt to expand the area of aggression carried out against the Palestinian people." Another Hamas spokesman in Gaza told Ha'aretz the assassination was "a cowardly crime by the Zionist Mossad" and said Hamas would retaliate with terror attacks inside Israel.

"[Israeli Prime Minister] Ariel Sharon is implementing his threats to assassinate leaders of Hamas abroad, and we would tell him that we can never keep quiet for such crimes," said Abu Zuhri.

He said all Hamas leaders were tightening security to avoid more assassinations.

Bravo, another small victory in the fight against international terrorism.
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