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Hi,

Can i get more than one PC to clock on to google at the same time ?
I'm using an ethernet hub with eight 'ways' on it, the eighth is a
bit different from the other seven, so i have my ethernet incoming
plugged into that one.

I can get any one of three PCs to clock on to google, but only on
its own, and only after turning off, then turning on, the units one
after the other, in a seemingly random order.

I assume it is possible to get more than one to access the internet
at the same time, but i don't know how to do it.

I have searched so many pages and sites trying to figure out what i
am doing wrong that i am now more confused than before.

Any help would be gratefully recieved, John :)
 

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An ethernet hub is not going to do the job. You need a router.
After you have the router in the mix you could use the hub (all add many more PCs to you LAN), but without the router present in the first place you cannot share the internet connection. Until you do so it will remain "one PC at a time" on your internet connection
 

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Hi rebelmusic, you may be right.

Hi coulterp, I am going to assume you are correct, although i have
found nothing else which says that other than my own experience
with this one.

So until i get myself a 'router' instead of a 'hub' what can i do
with a hub ... ?

can i get the PCs to see each other ?

This was obtained specifically for having internet access on two
machines, it was never mentioned that it couldn't do that.

So i am a bit peeved about that.

Still if i can get it to share stuff with the others, that will do
until i get myself a router and do it properly.
 

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Unless you have an ISP that gives you multiple IP addresses, you'll need a router to provide the NAT translation layer to allow Internet sharing. The cheapest and easiest way to do this is with a hardware broadband router. You can also setup a machine to be a gateway with routing capabilities, but why bother?
 

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Hi simpswr, Yes i agree i should be able to do that. Unfortunately i haven't
figured out how to do it yet. I can see one PC in my 'Entire Network' that is
the PC that i am using. Each of them can see them selves. Each of them is
plugged into the hub. I haven't got any of them to see any of the others.

HI JOHNWILL,
You can also setup a machine to be a gateway with routing capabilities,
but why bother?

Well, that raises my eyebrows.
Machine ?
Do you mean a PC ?
I could set up a PC to act as a router ?
As i have no router, and can't get one for some time, but i do have other
PCs then that might be interesting.
But does it mean that the PC could only be used as a router and nothing else ?
Would it mean i would have to get extra ethernet cards to provide ports ?

So much to learn ...
so little time.

John :)
 

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john1 said:
Do you mean a PC ?
I could set up a PC to act as a router ?
As i have no router, and can't get one for some time, but i do have other
PCs then that might be interesting.
But does it mean that the PC could only be used as a router and nothing else ?
Would it mean i would have to get extra ethernet cards to provide ports ?
Yes, your PC can be a router. Use the Internet Conneciton Sharing ICS) software in the standard XP build.

Yes you need 2 NICs in the PC you want to use to share the internet connection; one to the internet connection (the one on which you will activate ICS) and one to your LAN (or other PC).

And no, it does not mean the PC can only be used a router. It can continue to do all the usual PCy things your PC normally does.

It does mean, however, that in order to share the internet the PC must always be on.

All-in-all the router option is easier, more reliable, etc, but you can share using ICS.
 

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Hi coulterp,

yes, i would like to make some use of this hub, so file sharing would be nice.
I have found out how to log on, i have to log off, then log on.

Yes i know it seems a bit daft, but i can log on like that.

I have another ethernet card that i could possibly use as an outlet port,
but i don't have the: "Internet Conneciton Sharing ICS) software in the
standard XP build
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Unless maybe that program can be downloaded from the internet ... ?

As for it having to be on all the time ...
well i think it would have to be on to act as a router, unless theres
special bits that i still dont know about ... like maybe it needs to 'find' a
number from the other machine to work ...?
Maybe if you turn it off, you have to start all over again ...?

Anyway, it sounds good so far, and i'm glad to hear that it can act as a PC
just the same.

This sounds like just what i want, until i can get myself a router. John :)
 

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I found "Internet Connection Sharing" in my Windows Setup (Add/Remove)
So i may be able to get this up and running !

( if only i knew what i was doing ... )

Many thanks for pointing me in this direction, John :)
 

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Smoothwall is a complete package that's based on Linux. You don't need a separate copy of Linux, and you don't need to know anything about Linux to install and use Smoothwall.

My TiVo is a Linux box, and if I didn't want to add capability to it, I'd have never known it was Linux based. :)
 

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johnwill said:
Smoothwall is a complete package that's based on Linux. You don't need a separate copy of Linux, and you don't need to know anything about Linux to install and use Smoothwall.
OK, I understand one does not need a separate copy of Linux, and even that one does not need to know much about Linux to install it.

But according to the Smoothwall documentation (http://download.smoothwall.org/archive/docs/2.0/quickstart.pdf)
"Any data stored on the hard drive of the PC on which SmoothWall is to be installed will be overwritten as part of the installation, so it is imperative prior to SmoothWall installation to back up any data that is considered valuable. Do NOT install SmoothWall Express onto your main or only PC - you WILL lose all the data on the hard disk." And, according to the documentation, "After the reboot, when SmoothWall Express has been initialised and is ready for use, you should be presented with a simple Unix/Linux style Login screen."

This rather means that any prior use of the PC as a Windows PC is gone. :) Which, at the risk of repeating myself, may not be a viable option here.

I think that as a stop-gap measure using ICS on the existing Windows box until a router is acquired is probably the least disruptive option.
 

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I agree with the router, just presenting another option. If you have an old PC around that isn't useful for much else, it would be a good candidate for Smoothwall.
 

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Hi coulterp, Hi johnwill, Hi Bob Cerelli,

"given the relative low cost and simplicity,
why isn't a router a better way to go?
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It is the best way to go of course.
And i have purchased one now:
http://www.rlsupplies.co.uk/products/product.asp?id=1602

The internet sharing using an extra ethernet card was a stop-gap.
Although when i opened up the 'Fujitsu' PC, it only had three slots.
So i didn't do it, most PCs i've seen have more slots than that.
All three are in use - sound card, eth card, phone modem.
So i left it for a day.

I'm still getting used to this 'sharing' stuff,
i now have three PCs running of a four way router, all ok.

Next i will be running a feed to upstairs!

Thanks to you all for your help, cheers, John :)
 
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