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If I put a smillie up above,would any one read this? :) (rehtorical question)

The thread 'Huh!' turned into a apparant mass of turmoil, where my concerns never were ackknowledged , even by the moderator that previuosly voiced thoughts and actions that I supported.

I've left two threads, one that still bothers me in it's original form and 'Huh!'.
I left "Huh!' because of the unnecessary tension it was causing the community. I left the former (after 3 or 4 posts) more for my own peace- but also for the community.

So what! I'm the focus of humor now in that second thread. I don't expect anything less.
This is my point I was trying to get accross in "Huh!' When does a person walk away?
When do words become the stick to beat the hornets nest. Toss in language and cultural barriers and you beat that nest with a short stick.

Flack me, flame me,joke about it all you want. I can take it, and some of it is amusing. Intentionly miss quote me, fabricate my intensions,it will probably set me off with serious topics.
One thing you will NEVER,NEVER see from me is a deletion of a post without an edit like I saw towards the end of 'Huh!' I read it. My words stand, and yes, I will stand corrected when need be.


So, I throw out the topic of discussion, beating the Hornet's nest VS walking away. When do you think it's best to walk away?
 
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Looks like you haven't walked away, but want to "stir that hornets nest" STILL. I deleted my own post last night, because I have the right to do that. However, I did leave it there long enough for the Mulderator to read it, Hewee to read it, YOU to read it, and whomever else to read it, before I trashed it. I don't get hot under the collar very often Mr Stone, but talk about the mis-use of words, and innuendos mingled throughout your own replies to some of us, I got bent.
You continue to bash a thread in this forum, that just the sight of it on page one bothers you... well ppfffffttttttt.... too bad. This is a free country, and thanks to you, I will uphold what I believe in now, with even a greater force. :)
As I stated last night (in my deleted post)... enjoy yer stay here in Random, but don't forget to leave your ego at the door when you enter...

TaTaForNow...
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stoner.....I didnt read the Huh thread last night. You can ask Jonesie..I had other things on my mind last night and I wasnt doing much reading until late....and then I stuck to the evolution thread and posted some one-liners about spam. It wasnt to make fun of your specifically. I would not intentionally hurt your feelings for anything, no matter what you think of my beliefs and I do apologize if I have done that.

I did not understand that you were serious in your disapproval of the thread, but thought you were just throwing out a casual comment in the earlier post. My post to you this morning was in all seriousness.

can you please tell me why the thread bothers you so much. I'd like to understand what it is that bothers you. I really dont think it can be considered spam though. It might offend some people but its not disrupting TSG.

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Lets say I like apples…they are so good and I really love them !

Then I meet you and we discover that you really like Oranges, are passionate about them in fact !

So we talk, and I tell you to try a apple they are much better than oranges..you however know what you like and respectfully decline, suggesting that I instead try a big juicy orange.

At this point, we should quit discussing apples and oranges, and discuss other fruits in the orchard, as we both know what we want when it comes to favorite fruits !

I am not wrong because I like apples, you are not wrong because you like oranges, so, it’s just the way it is.

Three things I don’t discuss at this forum Religion, Politics and Morals, we all have our own beliefs on these subjects, and they are our apples and oranges.

I try to have fun here and joke with the members, occasionally I will post a opinion, but when things turn ugly, I usually just go away, and take my apple with me !

I think we are all better off discussing the other fruits :)

I hope you all take this as I mean it, just agree to disagree and move on, this thread, nor" Huh.." are serving a USEFUL purpose anymore ! :( ...Rhett
 

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Jonesiegirl:

That deleted post is what I'm talking about in this thread. When does a person stop their tirade? Did you choose that moment and recant, or just because it looked like a poor position to take? I've tried to keep personal attacks out of the forum, but I see this from you:"enjoy yer stay here in Random, but don't forget to leave your ego at the door when you enter... " I viewed this with your contempt of me.

I put this thread out as a discussion of how to judge when participation becomes destructive and how we can agree to tolerable levels of disagreement. Call it the walkaway factor.

So, what do you think?
 

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Hi Rhettman5.1:

I can agree with everything except

"I hope you all take this as I mean it, just agree to disagree and move on, this thread, nor" Huh.." are serving a USEFUL purpose anymore ! ...Rhett"

I think it's timely because of the way the forum reacted during the 'attack' and the way comments were percieved in 'Huh!'
 
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Ok Mr Stone... I'm gonna make one last attempt here, and then take The Rhettmans advice, and yours, and walk away.
That deleted post is what I'm talking about in this thread. When does a person stop their tirade?
I know my deleted post is what you were referring to. And as I stated in that deleted post that I was "most likely too tired to even be responding", which indeed is/was the case. I don't consider it a "tirade" on my part, nor do I consider it a ...
a poor position to take
Also...my meaning of this...
:"enjoy yer stay here in Random, but don't forget to leave your ego at the door when you enter... "
... is simply as Rhett says, if you don't like our apples (or oranges), then so be it, you don't have to like them, but to go on, and on about your distaste in the evolution-vs-creation thread, is where your "ego" comes in. JUST WALK AWAY, Mr Stone. :)
Do I, feel...
contempt of me
No, I don't.
Now, I hope I've answered your question...
So, what do you think?
In closing, I reiterate, enjoy yer stay here in Random... for I shall do the same. :)

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Howdy

I read these types of threads occassionally only for there entertainment value...and I might add there has been some great entertainment :) ...Rhett's post sums it up perfectly at this point... The "Huh" thread and this one had not much real value to begin with and certainly have none now.

my 2¢...I'll go back to the entertainment now

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valley20:

I listed my issues in your thread. Now it's a moot issue. It appears the fundamentalist movement in Ohio will not succeed in legaly claiming Creation to be the Science of Creationism, mandating the legal conversion of public school children to a religion other than of free choice. Reversing roles, would you strenuosly opose me forcing your children, by manipulating the Law to be Methodist? I think you would defend the right to choose your conscience.

I had to walk away from that thread, mostly for myself.

So, I think its pertinente to talk about how we talk to each other, are there limits of subject matter, how do we communicate with cultures we don't understand( Italians for some reason come to mind :) )

So, what's you thought's on the topic?
 

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Originally posted by Rhettman5.1:
I try to have fun here and joke with the members, occasionally I will post a opinion, but when things turn ugly, I usually just go away, and take my apple with me !

I think we are all better off discussing the other fruits :)
hey Rhett stop yapping 'bout me

it seems the cantaloupes didn't have a very good growing season as the skins are getting a bit thin.

this isn't an attack peeps - it's a joke - sort of - get a grip people we are on-line in a dynamic virtual playground, debate society, dear abby column. share your thoughts, voice you opinions, give more than you get, and most importantly enjoy each others company, with respect!!!!

btw i just love the fact that the new member - JJJecj71 - is sorry he/she believes in god/GOD (not wanting to offend anyone here) this should be good - is god/GOD male, female, or gender neutral?
this may be another thread but i can't help from stirring the pot, hitting the hive or kicking moldy's sorry arse
 

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Jonesiegirl:

This is what I'm talking about! That's what I percieved.
I'm trying to start a dialog on how to ease miscoceptions.

What do we do the next time we meet someone and the languages are too different and cause wrong impressions?
 

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Originally posted by Stoner:
Jonesiegirl:

This is what I'm talking about! That's what I percieved.
I'm trying to start a dialog on how to ease miscoceptions.

What do we do the next time we meet someone and the languages are too different and cause wrong impressions?
Stoner, I think you are still missing the point. What happened with the Italian threads had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO with a misconception or a language problem or the "wrong impression". That's the problem. There were plenty of Italian posts here that went uncensored for months until pictures of half-naked women started appearning. Warnings were made, it continued the user was banned.

Then, this forum was flooded deliberately with nonsensical posts in Italian. I closed them on the basis that I couldn't understand the purpose of them (they were in Italian) and it appeared as though they were there just for the purpose of flooding. They then started the same thing in broken English--flooding the site with nonsensical gibberish.

Would you please try and understand one thing. There WAS NO MISINTERPRETATION and this had nothing to do with posts being made in Italian. Rules were broken and users accounts were closed. Period, end of story.

Honestly, the only misconceptions in the whole thing was Carrie's misconception, which I admitted from the outset was mainly my fault. I'm not sure what your take on the whole thing was.

Finally, I apologize if there were any jokes I made that offended you.

I think this is at the point of beating a dead horse.
 
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*Sigh* ... Please Mr Stone, don't make me the focus of your concerns as to how to handle whatever happens next. I don't have any answers for you... hopefully someone will come along who can answer your last post for you. :)
 

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Stoner: I find it a tad hard to figure out what the heck your motives are or why you say the things you do or anything about you. Are we all supposed to just agree with you and you alone and watch what we say so as not to beat the hornet's nest you're apparently starting? It really stinks having to try to appease you and say what you want us to say. You say you're finished with the evolution thread....yet you once again post an opinion about it in this thread. I find jimi's reply amusing and a breath of fresh air compared to what you have to say. And I'm not usually one to voice an opinion such as this...but you take the cake! No offense. I'm just providing dialogue so you can knock me yet again. Point is go right ahead! angel

P.S.-I gave Hewee the name "Random People Pleaser".....he is the epitome of what a good and decent man is. :)
 

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Let's not make this a jump on Stoner thread. He feels he has been wrongly interpreted and judged and he may be correct on that issue and he deserves respect and the opportunity to voice his opinion.

I re-read your posts Stoner and I realized that some of what you "quoted" appears to be your own words. I think that may be the problem here. In the future, try using the [ quote ] [ /quote ] symbls (without the spaces) when you are quoting someone. As here:

This is a quote
I think that you are correct that you have been misunderstood (at least I know now that I mistook quotes as your own words), but I also think others may have a valid reason to have misunderstood you because of the way you've quoted in your posts. Go back and look at your posts in the "Huh" thread and you'll see what I'm talking about.
 

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Originally posted by jimi:

btw i just love the fact that the new member - JJJecj71 - is sorry he/she believes in god/GOD (not wanting to offend anyone here) this should be good -
Jay says he is sorry for a reason. He has been kicked around by more people than I can count and has been hurt over and over by some pretty nasty trolls. :mad: He was invited here because of the expectation that people would be kind to him, regardless of any flaws people might see in him when he posts. He does his very best to serve God as he can. I feel bad that he feels he should apologize...but he has his reasons. You should also know that Jay speaks fluent spanish and his english is broken....this is something that he has been harrassed about since I met him over a year ago. People can be so cruel so I really hope you guys will rise above that.

sorry jimi.....this touched a chord in me. It looked like you were ready to pounce and I wanted to nip it in the bud. Pounce on me if you like but give Jay some time to settle in, ok?
 

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Let's not make this a jump on Stoner thread. He feels he has been wrongly interpreted and judged and he may be correct on that issue and he deserves respect and the opportunity to voice his opinion.
Agreed.....but he just touches the wrong chord in me right now. And I'm simply voicing my opinion too....so don't anyone jump on me or anyone else who voices their opinion to this thread with a title that speaks for itself. angel
 
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Let's not make this a jump on Stoner thread.
LOL Mulderator, we're not! We're just buzzing around like hornets doooooooooooo!
He feels he has been wrongly interpreted and judged
And we don't? :D
he deserves respect and the opportunity to voice his opinion.
Now I TOTALLY understand that concept! *Pointing at the controversial creation thread*

Another case of the Mulderator soothing ruffled feathers! :D
 

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Originally posted by Stoner:
valley20:

I listed my issues in your thread. Now it's a moot issue. It appears the fundamentalist movement in Ohio will not succeed in legaly claiming Creation to be the Science of Creationism, mandating the legal conversion of public school children to a religion other than of free choice. Reversing roles, would you strenuosly opose me forcing your children, by manipulating the Law to be Methodist? I think you would defend the right to choose your conscience.
I understand, stoner. I really dont believe that teaching the creation theory alongside of evolution is forcing anyone to convert. I'm going to go back and re-read what you posted in that thread. Please keep in mind that there was so much activity during that time. I know I didnt take the proper amount of time to try to understand your point of view and that wasnt fair to you at all. I'm gonna walk away for now because I dont want to step on your toes without having the correct information.

So, I think its pertinente to talk about how we talk to each other, are there limits of subject matter, how do we communicate with cultures we don't understand( Italians for some reason come to mind :) )

So, what's you thought's on the topic?
I believe that we all should be very careful in how we talk to each other. I'm not even going to bring the italians into it but I'm gonna stick with just us here at tsg. I have misunderstood many people's words here in the past. I think when someone is angry...it is important to try to rectify the situation...even if we believe that they had no right or reason to be angry. And we ought to pay close attention when we are accused of being rude.....because it may very well be true. No one is perfect. What we may think is humor....might be very hurtful and disrespectful to others, who have something they want us to hear. When we blow it off.....it hurts. And hurt breeds anger and anger breeds contempt. I enjoy debating......as long as people remember to be respectful to each other. I also enjoy joking around, as long as I know the people well enough to understand how they will see it. But when people get mad, I usually walk away.
 

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Mulder:

Sorry for the poor skills.

I watched that train wreck with the Italian group. I watched from both sides and a lousy translator. I saw an Italian vandal sucker several members of this site in to a percieved national arrogance that was used to incite others in Italy to have a little bit of sport. I watched them use a dictionary to slice and dice TSG comments, till I began to wonder why fuel was constantly added to the fire. And it grew. I kept watching their site and saw what appeared to be a more malicious attack. I posted that URL-but I suspect TSG knew long before I did. I've tried To bring a dialog, a discussion on how to avoid this again and how words can be percieved differently. I've tried to show in my example, how certain things come to a boil and why sometimes it's better to walk away than constantly prove a contraversial issue.
I've been requested to review my complaint about the Science of Creationism and then critized for my motives.
What the Hell! I think there are some at TSG that have clots for brains. Nothing I say or do is going to influence some of the narrow minded people here. Some have even claimed I was trying to bend them to my will..???
If the few of TSG that I refer to never want to experiance the world thru a computer, you're on the right track.

I have failed to bring a dialog. No more beating the dead horse.
But I'm not leaving.

Mulder or any MOD, I don't know how to lock this thread. Please do it for me.




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