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Why don't you do a web search for "UNOFFICIAL Windows98 Second Edition Service Pack 1.6.2 (Freeware)" and see how many other sites provide a link for this site. I suggest that you take a pill and settle down. :down:
 

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Take a pill for me too.. After enough pills, it's all good.
 

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I really don't see where it violates forum rules.. It's only a collection of updates taken off the windows update site and made into a easy installer, but, I'll trust AcaCandy's judgement..

Had to check and see what this was all about.. Seems to be a waste of a post.. If AcaCandy says jump, forum members should say, "How high?". She is the leader of the Catwomen.. :)
 

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It must be me gettin' old I suppose,but I dont see the point of this thread at all,would someone please explain as Im curious ......
 

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Sorry for not seeing this sweet post before, but I've been in bed with the flu.

Another member reported the post.

After reading this disclaimer:

Disclaimer: Unofficial Windows98 SE Service Pack is an updater for the Windows98 Second Edition produced and licensed by Microsoft Corporation. Use of Unofficial Windows98 Service Pack may invalidate any guarantee and or warranty expressed in your Windows End User License Agreement(s). Use of Unofficial Windows98 Service Pack does not supersede or provide any remedy for any guarantee or warranty that may be invalidated. All liabilities from use or misuse of Unofficial Windows98 SE Service Pack lie with the End User. This software is provided "as-is," without any express or implied warranty. In no event shall the provider be held liable for any damages arising from the use of this software. Any software in this pack is a copyrighted work of its respective owner(s). This pack that can be downloaded from this site is only of use to those who already own Windows98 Second Edition. Windows98 Second Edition is a trademark of Microsoft Corporation and are used by Author in a non-trademark, descriptive sense only.


I removed the link.

I'm certainly open to suggestions, I also got a pm from another member suggesting that it may be ok, and I posted a thread to the moderator section for review.

A PM from you would have been nice as well :rolleyes:

Instead of me doing a search to see if it's legal, why don't you contact Microsoft and ask them? That should put an end to the legality question, right? Oh, and just because "OTHER" sites provide a link to this, doesn't mean that we have to. You might want to look over the forum rules ;)
 

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Despite feeling like genuine crap today :( I caught a Microsoft person via instant messenger, I will post our conversation:

(MS WinClient MVP Lead) says:
The disclaimer on the site looks pretty good. Its good that the packages are not touched themselves. The scary part is mostly whether you trust this updater to not mess up your system. Other updaters, I've seen will assess your system and always download the latest versions of the updates. This doesn't appear to do that.
(MS WinClient MVP Lead) says:
The only way we can be confident of this package legally is to open all referenced update and view their EULA to see if redistribution with another application.
(MS WinClient MVP Lead) says:
is allowed without special arrangement.
(MS WinClient MVP Lead) says:
BTW, based on the product's disclaimer, its not clear that an OEM version Win98 SE is covered.

AcaCandy says:
Ok, I'm not sure if that answered my question or not
AcaCandy says:
just don't want any problems with MS on our site
(MS WinClient MVP Lead) says:
Yep...I am talking around it, aren't I.
AcaCandy says:
yes, you are
AcaCandy says:
Email the legal department
(MS WinClient MVP Lead) says:
I know that they will say...
(MS WinClient MVP Lead) says:
Their point of view would be to remove it...or face the risk that we don't like it....
(MS WinClient MVP Lead) says:
I'd get that ruling in three weeks
AcaCandy says:
Well, I'm going to stand by my earlier decision to remove it
(MS WinClient MVP Lead) says:
okay...I would totally understand that...and personally share your concern about it.





So, to sum things up, we have two issues here:

1 >> the legal complications

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2 >> it's just BAD advice to recommend installing such an untested conglomeration of updates that may or may not work on an individual system. The OEM issue is little understood, but can be very signficant in some cases.
 

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What kind of pills are we dispensing? It may be against forum policy, and I don't want to get our esteemed Administrator into trouble! :D:D:D
 

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AcaCandy

Thank you for responding. Sorry if I didn't appear to be civilized in this post to you. My feathers got ruffled somewhat in the heat of the moment and it wasn't my intention to violate the rules and wasn't feeling that I did.

Get well. :)
 

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Since the files are unmodified in any way and simply packaged for delivery, I don't really see any overriding legal issue. But MS has shown possessiveness in the past over other people's setting up download links for updates attributed to them. It would be far too easy, as some people who have received those bogus emails would know, to claim to be distributing MS updates and actually pass out something else. And then who would people call when they had problems? MS, of course.

But my concern would also be on a more technical note. Windows 98 has no built-in qchain functionality, like XP does, for instance. In XP, the order that updates are installed makes no difference. You won't undo an update by trying to install an earlier one in the wrong order. XP will simply make no changes to the system or will notify that an update is not needed or appropriate.

But updates installed in an incorrect order in 98 can very easily lead to a recent security update's being "undone" by installing an earlier update afterward. And I know of no program available for 98 that will tell you if the updates need to be reinstalled or have been corrupted.

Maybe these guys have solved that problem. I don't know. But for what it's worth, I use the SP for 98 all the time just because it is so simple and fast and requires only one reboot. But that doesn't mean it works correctly :D.
 

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TOF said:
AcaCandy

Thank you for responding. Sorry if I didn't appear to be civilized in this post to you. My feathers got ruffled somewhat in the heat of the moment and it wasn't my intention to violate the rules and wasn't feeling that I did.

Get well. :)
Thank you. I'm going to close this thread now.
 
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